standards

[Isaac OLEG]

Hello

For instance, because I tuned many Steinways, I have in my ear their
tone, and if very inspired I can (try to) tune a Yamaha vertical with
that tone in my ear, giving a larger piano tone.

Others know very well old Pleyel or such, and can tune a modern piano
with the tone of an older one.

Others tune with pure fifths and larger octaves than usually, and when
played the piano have a totally different tone than usual.

I have tuned pianos with the tone of a pianist I've heard a concert a
day before, and feel the impression of this tone (in my mind !)

None of these is good or bad , it is like for voicing, we have to
believe in what we do and then iot works (better )

Every time you tune a piano with something in mind (even if it is the
standard pattern of the PTG tuning) the tuning will sound better than
if you are not in a mood.

It is amazing how the temperament and character of the tuner reflects
in his tuning. With the machines we more or less loose this ability,
but it is also a production job indeed, we can nowadays keep some
creative touch in the process, when building tone on a very homogenous
pattern that is given by the tuner, but still the only machine that
allows a tone mood IMO is the VT, because it is so clearly giving you
an holistic approach you can agree with easily (end of advertising !)

Best wishes to all inspired tuners in ze world !

Isaac


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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]De la part de
> Phil Bondi
> Envoyé : dimanche 11 mai 2003 18:07
> À : College and University Technicians
> Objet : Re: standards
>
>
> Richard:
>
> > I had two reasons for starting this thread:  1)  The PTG
> exam is based
> > on clean 2:1 octaves, which is fine, but I don't like the
> results, and I
> > don't tune that way.  I'm wondering if others agree or not, 2)
>
> The PTG Exam, to my understanding, is set up that way
> because there has to
> be a standard in which the examiners can fairly
> evaluate..and..to make sure
> that you, the testee, understands what is required. You
> don't have to like
> the results..that's not what the test is about..it's about
> understanding
> what is required and for the examiners to have a base to evaluate.
>
> To further comment on your questions, in a nutshell: In my
> opinion, the
> larger and better scaled the piano, the more options you
> have for stretching
> and narrowing, depending on taste. Now also coming into play here is
> Historical Temperaments which, on some less than desirable
> pianos, sound
> much better than a Equal Temperament. If the piano in
> question doesn't have
> any complaints from the player, then essentially we've done our job.
>
> We as technicians tend to tweek beyond what might be
> considered 'the norm'
> because our ear at the time might be suggesting that we
> tweek...or our past
> experiences dictate that 'doing it this way' will make the
> instrument sound
> as good as it can sound.
>
> There's an awful lot of variables involved with your
> questions. I feel only
> experience can give you the desired results that you are
> looking for.
> Knowing what to evaluate in a given situation and how to
> perform the task
> involved requires experience, patience, and a hint of musicality.
>
> Richard, I don't know your experience level, so I hope
> these comments don't
> seem like I am talking down to you in any way. This is how
> I perceived the
> questions asked, and how I chose to respond.
>
> -Phil Bondi (Fl.)
> phil@philbondi.com
>
>
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