Repin and check with its neighbor as to who has the best tone. A free but firm center is a must! David I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby@byu.edu> To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: Steinway "pinning" dilemma > List, > > I am NOT bashing here...I love Steinways, but I have a dilemma. (BTW, I > just finished prepping and tuning 12 "out of the box" 1098's and they > are indeed wonderful instruments! None of the former problems.) > (Hurray!) > > Here is a new question concerning pinning on the 8 new grands I have. (2 > D's, 3 B's, 2 M's, and an S.) Hammer flange pinning is around 1-2 grams! > (From 20 to 37 swings) I was ready to repin, since they simply don't > check without roughing the tails (which I believe shouldn't be the > solution) Steinway says that they have a new flange design to try to > "totally", as far as possible, reduce friction there. They advertise it > as "permafree" (scary) because of the Teflon impregnated into the > bushing cloth. They say that as long as there is no side play 37 swings > is OK. But is it??? > > You can make the action work by making sure rep. spring is not too > strong and by periodically roughing the tails, but conventional wisdom > says we need proper friction in the right places to make an action feel > and work correctly. Right?? Any thoughts on this? > > Since they are under warranty I will do as I was taught at Steinway, but > my gut feeling is to repin the rail, lighten the hammers, etc. to > achieve proper touchweight, and spend the next ten years working on > pianos that feel "right" to me. > > I've consulted with 2 other techs who are top notch by any standard and > they totally agree with me. However, two Steinway techs say their system > works. How do I justify the two seemingly opposing systems and make the > pianos work to my standards without bucking Steinway? Have any of you > faced this yet? > > Thanks, > Jim Busby RPT > BYU > > > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed > Sutton > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:33 PM > To: College and University Technicians > Subject: Re: Tuning Steinway Verticals > > Richard and Jeff- > > I apologise if my comments have veered beyond the professional on this > list. > > My original question was posted because frustrations of working with the > new > 1098's have been much discussed recently in our local chapter. Jeff, > your > description of tuning the new 1098's was exactly what I experience. I > found the > discussion of various techniques for dealing with the instrument very > helpful. > When I have difficulty with an instrument, I always wonder if the > problem is with > the instrument or with my technique. Knowing that others have similar > experiences > makes it less frustrating, since I'll blame myself less, and just deal > with the > problems as they occur. > > By the way, I tune a 1915 Steinway Verti-grand; easy, smooth tuning, and > sounds > wonderful after 87 years with nothing new but hammers and keybushings. > > Ed Sutton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Brekne" <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no> > To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: Tuning Steinway Verticals > > > > > > > > Jeff Tanner wrote: > > > > > I really don't understand this thread of hatred I'm hearing for > Steinway > > > products, and I certainly don't understand the overblown enthusiasm > for > > > lesser priced instruments which I've never seen stand up to the > punishment > > > the Steinway products can handle. > > > > > > Yes, Steinways are expensive, but they tend to pay for themselves. > > > Jeff > > > > Neither do I. Especially in the light of the apparent fact that it is > a rather > > self defeating tact to take in the first place. But to be fair. Some > of the > > criticism we hear is honest and fair enough. > > > > I think too, some of it is pure frustration rooted out lashing. Lets > face it... > > Steinway has the markets ear, the reputation of being the best, and to > THEE > degree > > dominant the concert venue market. It makes it tough for any newcomers > to make > > their mark.. regardless of how good they are. Still I think Steinway > gets a > rotten > > deal on that mark. It strikes me as more the fault of the mass > produces of > > inexpensive pianos that inhibit the creative newcomer more then > Steinway.. but > > that's just my opinion. > > > > On the other hand again, .human kind is not more evolved then vast > numbers of us > > are perfectly capable of being just plain envious... or desiring to > shoot down > the > > top guy... just to be able to say they did it. > > > > Still, for my part, I would appreciate far less bashing in general... > be it of a > > particular manufacturer, or of each other. Thats not really what we're > here > for... > > or what ? > > > > RicB > > -- > > Richard Brekne > > RPT, N.P.T.F. > > UiB, Bergen, Norway > > mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no > > http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html > > http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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