I tend to agree that the test emphasizes aspects that are less-than-absolute requirements in the real world. However, it is a test and needs certain objective elements. You can't have the standard for the test to be "Octaves stretched somewhat" or "pretty much equal" temperament. The alternative to the test as it exists now would be to go back to the good old boy system of evaluation. dave __________________________________________ David M. Porritt, RPT Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University Dallas, TX 75275 dporritt@mail.smu.edu ----- Original message ----------------------------------------> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> To: <caut@ptg.org> Received: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:56:22 -0800 Subject: RE: [CAUT] Steinway stretch (was Re: Steinway Verticals) >There can be a lot of different stuff happening between one tuning style and the next >but you have to have stable unisons. >That is why I really love my SAT III. Except for the tweak here and there, when >concerned about single and double octaves (which is often SAT III placement, ie. what it >is reading...moving it around to check for for correct reading), I'm mostly concentrating >on unisons and stablility. The changes to TUNED notes as you progress through a >tuning would probably startle many strictly aural tuners...IMHO >David Ilvedson, RPT >----- Original message ----------------------------------------> >From: Fred Sturm <fssturm@unm.edu> >To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org> >Received: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:38:32 -0700 >Subject: [CAUT] Steinway stretch (was Re: Steinway Verticals) >>--On Monday, November 22, 2004 8:54 PM -0800 Boaz Kirschenbaum >><artisanpiano@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Don, >>> >>> That's correct, a 6:3 octave for all octaves. However, on pianos other >>> than the Steinway vertical, I stretch the octaves. >>> >>> At Steinway, tuning by fifths was the M.O. >>> >>> This means, tune as pure a fifth as possible while still keeping it a >>> tempered fifth, and leave the fourths slightly "dirty" (since the >>> fifth is closer to pure than the accepted 3 beats every five seconds, >>> the fourths will beat faster than 1 beat per second). >>> >>> This technique also gives you the clean third octave stretch, if you >>> use the fifth as the test interval alone, rather than using the M3 >>> M10, M10 M17, and m3 M6 tests. It saves time and also helps when >>> you're following another Steinway tuner, you listen to their fifths >>> and octaves, and don't try to narrow their octaves (in order to keep >>> some semblance of stability). >>> Boaz >> >>Hi Boaz, >> This is very much in keeping with what I have heard from many Steinway >>connected tuners over many years. I'd "codify" it by saying the idea is to >>1) Stretch octaves more than is taught by most PTG connected folks >>2) Pay lots less attention to progression of intervals than those same PTG >>connected folks >>3) Pay lots more attention to unisons and stability. >> I have noticed that Steinway connected tuners (and several other high >>level techs) who are not PTG members tend to dismiss PTG based in large >>part on the PTG tuning test, which, according to them (Steinway folks) is >>far too worried about said interval progressions, far too conservative in >>octave stretch, and far too lax in unisons and stability. The other side of >>that coin being PTG folks who run down Steinway tuners for being too sloppy >>in the area of the sacred Equal Temperament, and too crazy wide in the >>octaves. >> Inneresting, ain't it? Makes you wonder. (Me, I'm with the Steinway folks). >>Regards, >>Fred Sturm >>University of New Mexico >>_______________________________________________ >>caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >_______________________________________________ >caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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