[CAUT] Steinway stretch (was Re: Steinway Verticals)

[Wigent, Donald E]

Don Wigent 
I don't see why a tech has to be one kind of tuner or another.  Steinway
or any other kind, after all Steinway is not the only people in this
land. Frankley I don't care who built the piano, just tune a good temp
and keep your octives an unisons clean and you will never get a beef
about your tuning. I have ben tuning for 45 years and I NEVER had a prof
to complain about a temp however they can hear octives and unisons.
Don't over strech the treble and keep things vary clean and tight so
some heavy handed player can't beet the piano in to submission and you
will be a winner. 
Don wigent East Carolina U    

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Fred Sturm
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:39 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: [CAUT] Steinway stretch (was Re: Steinway Verticals)

--On Monday, November 22, 2004 8:54 PM -0800 Boaz Kirschenbaum 
<artisanpiano@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don,
>
> That's correct, a 6:3 octave for all octaves. However, on pianos other
> than the Steinway vertical, I stretch the octaves.
>
> At Steinway, tuning by fifths was the M.O.
>
> This means, tune as pure a fifth as possible while still keeping it a
> tempered fifth, and leave the fourths slightly "dirty" (since the
> fifth is closer to pure than the accepted 3 beats every five seconds,
> the fourths will beat faster than 1 beat per second).
>
>  This technique also gives you the clean third octave stretch, if you
> use the fifth as the test interval alone, rather than using the M3
> M10, M10 M17, and m3 M6 tests. It saves time and also helps when
> you're following another Steinway tuner, you listen to their fifths
> and octaves, and don't try to narrow their octaves (in order to keep
> some semblance of stability).
> Boaz
	
Hi Boaz,
	This is very much in keeping with what I have heard from many
Steinway 
connected tuners over many years. I'd "codify" it by saying the idea is
to
1) Stretch octaves more than is taught by most PTG connected folks
2) Pay lots less attention to progression of intervals than those same
PTG 
connected folks
3) Pay lots more attention to unisons and stability.

	I have noticed that Steinway connected tuners (and several other
high 
level techs) who are not PTG members tend to dismiss PTG based in large 
part on the PTG tuning test, which, according to them (Steinway folks)
is 
far too worried about said interval progressions, far too conservative
in 
octave stretch, and far too lax in unisons and stability. The other side
of 
that coin being PTG folks who run down Steinway tuners for being too
sloppy 
in the area of the sacred Equal Temperament, and too crazy wide in the 
octaves.
	Inneresting, ain't it? Makes you wonder. (Me, I'm with the
Steinway folks).
Regards,
Fred Sturm
University of New Mexico
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