[CAUT] Detuning phenomenon; was: How long to stabilize??

Fred Sturm fssturm at unm.edu
Fri Feb 20 13:02:19 PST 2009


On Feb 20, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Gurnee wrote:

>  My measurements of pin movement by block expansion/contraction  
> indicated mid performance  with the effect of audience moisture that  
> the right pin of a unison moved farther from the capo/agraff than  
> the left pin.  The measurement taken by michrometer was assumed to  
> be pin block expansion which may have been caused by humidity or  
> temperature.

	I am intrigued by your description. How exactly did you make this  
measurement? What was the magnitude? Magnitude of difference between  
one pin and another? I guess there are different designs of  
micrometer, but I haven't seen one that could do this.
	In any case, I don't find a difference in behavior between Steinway D  
and B, in spite of the difference in tuning pin array (my earlier  
post, I was confused - it is B and A that have those alternating  
offset groups for each unison, not D). So while it may be that the  
pins move relative to termination (ie, are moved by the expansion/ 
contraction of the block), and that the right pin moves more than the  
left, this model for the unison skew comes up against the  
contradiction of alternating unisons not moving similarly - that is,  
the pitch doesn't seem to move in accordance with what the model would  
predict.
	About hall heat and humidity, in my own experience at our venue, with  
a pretty efficient HVAC (with the pluses and minuses that presents),  
the only effect that seems to be significant at concert time is  
lights. Ours don't put out that much radiant heat (ie, directly  
radiating on the strings), and the HVAC keeps the temperature change  
down to about 4 degrees rise or so on stage. RH drops accordingly by  
about 1-2%. We have had several faculty who have tried to keep RH  
higher in their studios using a humidifier, and the HVAC flushes it  
out as fast as the humidifier produces it (I have measured: within a  
few feet of the devise there is a small effect). I don't believe the  
audience causes a rise in temp and RH, or at least not a significant  
one (the system flushes it out as fast as it occurs).
	Older buildings without the "blessings" of modern HVAC will no doubt  
have different issues, maybe including humidity rise due to audience  
breathing and perspiration, as well as heat rise. And facilities with  
humidity "control" may have their own special issues where the  
calibration is such that they create pretty wild seesaws (like Jeff  
Tanner describes).
Regards,
Fred Sturm
University of New Mexico
fssturm at unm.edu

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