[CAUT] Cool grand action models/ RPT testing

Paul T Williams pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu
Sat Jul 25 13:02:11 MDT 2009


That might work with a single note action for both.  But, seeing the 
consistency of three notes really tells the examiner that you know what 
you are doing.  If just a single note on a grand, it should at least have 
the pedal mechanisms. I like the three note vertical model for some 
reason.  I had to (yes, I'm admitting this) take it more than once!! :>) 
It was far harder than the grand reg test! (I ran out of time the first go 
around)  In real life, we don't get to regulate verticals more than 
grands, simply IMHO due to the fact that grand owners are more demanding, 
have more financial means to do it, or whatever.

PW






From:
"Jeff Tanner" <tannertuner at bellsouth.net>
To:
<caut at ptg.org>
Date:
07/24/2009 05:15 PM
Subject:
Re: [CAUT] Cool grand action models/ RPT testing



Hey Paul,
Great question.
 
I have a similar "concern" with the testing, but not so much with how many 
notes are involved as much as what you're given to start with.  The grand 
portion comes from a regulating-what-you've-got starting point, while the 
vertical portion is more from the perspective of rebuilding from scratch. 
I didn't mind that so much as that when you're rebuilding, and figuring 
out proportions, you really aren't being timed.  Being timed while 
figuring out proportions bothered me a bit, and took up most of my time on 
that section. I scored well on the grand, but struggled on the vertical 
portion for that reason.  It's just something we don't do all that often 
and success or failure depended on something one rarely encounters.
 
It would have made more sense to me to give me a vertical action model out 
of regulation -- not completely disassembled and with no specs.  That's 
what we run into - verticals that need regulation, not rebuilding from 
scratch.  Anymore, it doesn't make sense to rebuild a vertical action 
unless it is a particularly special one, and that is very rare. Makes more 
sense to me to test what we run into more often.
 
As far as single versus multiples, I don't see why we need multiples on 
either. If you can do one, you ought to be able to match the other 87.  To 
me, multiples on the vertical portion was just extra time taken up that 
could be spent on getting one right. But I guess I can see maybe damper 
timing with the pedal being about the only thing that needs to be 
coordinated. It's not like we're weighing off the action, though, so 
consistency from note to note really comes down to your ability to get the 
first one good and then just reproducing that.
 
My thoughts,
Jeff Tanner
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Paul T Williams 
To: caut at ptg.org 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Cool grand action models/ RPT testing

Too bad.  I would only need a max of 6.  That's my class limit due to 
space....It would be great for our occasional "Associates Days" we hold 
for our local associates wishing to get to the RPT classification. Really, 
I would only want 3 or 4. 

I just think that a single grand note action is not comparable to the 
vertical testing unit.  Why do we not require at least a 3-note grand 
action model with pedals, sos pedal and unacorda pedal?  One of the most 
important issues in great grand action regulation is consistency from note 
to note!! It really doesn't make sense that the grand action test is 
actually easier than the vertical action reg test. I would think that, in 
reality, the grand action reg test be harder than the vertical as that's 
where the most demanding of customers and artists are.  Really,  what 
vertical piano owner (other than a physical space issue) is really as 
demanding on proper regulation as those owning a high-end grand..or any 
grand, if they can't afford a high-end grand, but are still outstanding 
pianists?  This has always been a question in my crazy brain! Any 
examiners out there that can add something to why these standards have 
been set? 

I'm sure this will turn into a great discussion!  I'm all eyes!  I'm truly 
interested in where these testing standards were set and why... 

Just a thought...Shields up! 

Paul 




From: 
reggaepass at aol.com 
To: 
caut at ptg.org 
Date: 
07/24/2009 02:50 PM 
Subject: 
Re: [CAUT] Cool grand action models




>From what I was told, they were made specially for the Renner damper 
class (which Schimmel, somehow, has a finger in).  Additional units may 
not be available, unless a sufficient quantity were to be ordered. 

Alan Eder


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu>
To: caut at ptg.org
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Cool grand action models

Those were the ones!  I didn't see anything in my Renner stuff here.  I'll 
look into Schimmel.  They're probably spendy I'll bet! 

Thanks, Alan 

Paul 


From: 
reggaepass at aol.com 
To: 
caut at ptg.org 
Date: 
07/24/2009 01:18 PM 
Subject: 
Re: [CAUT] Cool grand action models





Paul, if you are referring to the multi-note action models used in the 
hands-on damper class taught by Renner USA, I was told that those were 
made by Schimmel. 

Alan Eder


-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu>
To: caut at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Cool grand action models

Renner, I believe. 
Regards, 
Fred Sturm 
University of New Mexico 
fssturm at unm.edu 



On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Paul T Williams wrote: 

Hi All, 

I was checking out the pics on the blog from GR.  That hands-on class that 
had all those multi-note grand action models look very cool.  Who makes 
them, or who know where to get some? I would really like to use them for 
my Univ class I teach every spring and could teach students better than 
using the single note models I have.   

Thanks!  Wish I could have been there! 

Paul 

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