Thanks, Dave! Exactly what I would have said, plus some. Let's be clear: this is not the solution to all our problems. This is one additional tool, that we hope to make available to our colleagues. And different people can make different uses of it. There is no requirement that you actually pursue the final credential. Some might only want to do the training, or part(s) of the training, and skip the exams. Others, who think they have the knowledge already and don't want the training, can just take the exams. One of the things I like most about this proposal is that we have designed it so that you go to three actual on site locations, and do your training there. Not only do you get concentrated, hands on training, with small instructor/student ratio (4:1), but you get the opportunity to observe another college/university setting and get a taste for what a colleague does to make a maintenance program work. Like David said, I sure wish I could have had that training 23 years ago (I guess I started the same year he did). Regards, Fred Sturm University of New Mexico fssturm at unm.edu On Jun 19, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Porritt, David wrote: > I’m not Fed, but let me chime in here. If taking the training or > the tests is not beneficial for you, I’d highly recommend not taking > the training or the tests. They should be and undoubtedly will be > taken only by people for whom they will be beneficial. > > Secondly, the problem of outliving your certification is a problem > in every skill. I meet people every day who have passed their > drivers test, but who are obviously not still qualified to drive and > this is a problem with more public safety issues than the CAUT > certification. Any certification only says that “at one time you > had a certain skill” and this includes doctors, lawyers and > accountants. > > I am one who will undoubtedly pass up this certification. I’ve been > at this too long, and I’m too close to retirement for it to matter > to me. However, when I do retire, the school will have to find > someone to replace me and it will undoubtedly be someone who has > less experience. The specific training outlined in this proposal > not only would be very beneficial for a skilled technician entering > the academic realm for the first time, it would have been very good > for me 23 years ago when I started here. > > Sometimes we have to provide opportunities for people in PTG that > are not a perfect fit for me personally. This curriculum will not > be taken by the vast majority of PTG members. I hope that each of > us is not so self absorbed that we’ll vote it down just because it’s > not for me. That would say more about our membership than I want to > contemplate. > > dave > > David M. Porritt, RPT > dporritt at smu.edu > > From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf > Of wbis290 > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:27 AM > To: caut at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Caut Certification (was Re: Steinway or Forgery? > now CAUT Certification > > Hi Fed, > > This on the surface sounds good but there are a few things that need > to be addressed. First of all, those who are not full time > technicians at a university and have to do work in homes, schools > and churches do not have the luxury of being able to take all those > days off just to try to prove to someone that they are qualified. I > am also reminded of what I was told by some folks at Yamaha some > years ago. When they started their list of people who where > qualified to service their concert and artist pianos I was told that > I was on their list even though I did not take their three day > training that these people were supposed to take. I asked why and > was told that some of the people at Yamaha knew me and that I was > qualified. then they took my name off. Then I was put back on again. > Later I was taken off again since I did not take their three day > course. I was later told by one of the Yamaha people that they were > having problems due to the fact that they had people come who we re > not qualified but they passed the three day course and when they did > not use what they learned in those three days for a while, they did > not do the job that they were supposed to do due to lack of keeping > up these skills. I think that this plan is going to run into the > same thing. The third thing that I am thinking is, are we trying to > make too big of a deal with this? How many universities are going to > look at this and care. Fourth, would it be worth my while to loose > $4,800 in work as well as the expense of the hotel room? I do not > think so. > > God bless > > Bill Balmer, RPT > University of Findlay and Ohio Northern University > > > > In a message dated 06/17/09 19:59:24 US Eastern Standard Time, fssturm at unm.edu > writes: > As long as Ben has introduced the subject, perhaps a slightly more > salient description is in order. As those of you who are politically > involved in PTG are aware, there is a proposal before council this > year to establish a credential for cauts, under the name of College > and University Technicians Endorsement (CAUT-E). This is the result of > many years of discussion, and various efforts to put ideas into > practical form. It is different in form from anything I remember being > discussed in this forum, though maybe that is just my bad memory. > In any case, the proposal is based on a series of four intensive > training sessions, each to be three days in length, under the name > "CAUT Academy." They will cover, under a prescribed curriculum, topics > to do with administration, management, planning and the like; concert > level tuning and prepar ation; historical instruments and related > topics; and a miscellaneous category that will include techniques for > maintaining high use instruments at a high standard. Each of these > sessions will have an exit exam related to it. Passing the four exams > will constitute receiving the endorsement. > The fact the there is a practical proposal before council is pretty > remarkable. Kudos to Dale Probst and many others for pushing to make > this real, rather than just a lot of continuing talk. As to what > council will make of it, that remains to be seen. But we hope that > most of you will take a positive view of this, as a step in the right > direction. > Regards, > Fred Sturm > University of New Mexico > fssturm at unm.edu > > > > > > Dell Inspiron 15: Now starting at $349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20090619/dc2c157e/attachment-0001.htm>
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