Jim and Ron,
Thanks for your reply. This is particularly encouraging for me as my shop/office here at Tech is only ... ....I had to stop and measure: It's about 11 by 20 minus workbench, cabinets and desk. Maybe if I get with Nossman, and re-arrange my shop....Hmmm... Maybe I can do some rebuilding in this place! There is no other place on campus that I could use.
Kevin Fortenberry
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1. Re: Nossman Rebuilds. (Jim Busby)
2. Re: Nossman Rebuilds. (Ron Overs)
3. Re: Nossman Rebuilds. (Ed Sutton)
4. Re: Nossman Rebuilds. (Richard Brekne)
5. Re: professor tuning variables (Scott Jackson)
6. Re: Nossman Rebuilds. (Ron Nossaman)
7. Re: Nossman Rebuilds. (Ron Nossaman)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:32:44 -0600
From: Jim Busby <jim_busby at byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
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Hi Kevin,
Welcome to the list!
I agree about Ron's pianos. And I hope I don't embarrass Ron, but if you saw how small his shop is you'd be amazed. No ? million dollar machines in a spacious setting (I won't go any further Ron...) just some common tools, mixed in with some VERY uncommon, creative ones, and about a million dollars of common sense! Very inspiring indeed.
Ron does one thing that sets him apart from most of us; he questions everything. "Why do it that way??" Because it's always been done that way is about the worst answer... He looks at everything from bottom to top, tests, tries, and when he has an opinion it's usually based on experience and/or good science. And his pianos are the proof.
Jim Busby BYU
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Fortenberry, Kevin
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:46 AM
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Subject: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
To all,
This is my first entry to the caut list. I am the new tech at Texas Tech University. Although this may be a bit delayed, I just want to put my 2 cents worth in on the Nossman-ized pianos. In a nutshell: they are INCREDIBLE! A large number of us from the TSA-PTG Seminar in Richardson a couple of years ago took tour to SMU and compared the Nossman Steinway D with a regular D side by side. I do not remember one negative comment about the Nossman, but there was an incredible amount of Ooo ing and AAhhhing, and WOWS and double WOWS. Everyone needs to see and play one of these pianos to experience it for themselves. One of my favorite features is the elimination of the tri-chords in the bass. Every time I tune the bass (on the Smith piano)one of the 2 D s in our recital hall here, my mind goes back to that "Nossman" and I think "If only this piano could be Nossmanized". The proof is in the pudding-give one of them a listen.
Also, One of our D s was rebuilt by Mohlberg just outside Austin, and it is also a wonderful piano. It is a dream to tune (except of course those pesky tri-chords in the bass.) It's as great of a traditional rebuild as any I have seen or played. If a school, etc. cannot afford a specialty rebuild, or wants a traditional rebuild, I HIGHLY recommend Mohlberg and Associates.
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:29:10 +1100
From: Ron Overs <sec at overspianos.com.au>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
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Jim,
I agree with your post. Simply continuing to
build the same spec., as was derived a century
ago, can't possibly yield state of the art. A
passionate quest for incorporating the results of
years of thinking and testing ideas is what moves
the knowledge base forward. Ron N. is one of a
small number who are working at further
developing tone building.
Thankfully, a few people in the USA seem to be
paying attention to these endeavours in progress.
Is this because US society seems to tolerate
itself believing that it can achieve? Here in
Australian our collective attitude seems to be
that the only people capable of achieving
anything are anyone else but Australians. We need
to grow up as a nation and realise that we have
pretty much the same bell-curve of intellectual
capability as exists elsewhere on the planet. The
Australian self-deprecating attitude that
pervades here, like some terminal disease,
doesn't seem to be doing us any favours.
Ron O.
>Hi Kevin,
>
>Welcome to the list!
>
>I agree about Ron's pianos. And I hope I don't
>embarrass Ron, but if you saw how small his shop
>is you'd be amazed. No ? million dollar machines
>in a spacious setting (I won't go any further
>Ron?) just some common tools, mixed in with some
>VERY uncommon, creative ones, and about a
>million dollars of common sense! Very inspiring
>indeed.
>
>Ron does one thing that sets him apart from most
>of us; he questions everything. "Why do it that
>way??" Because it's always been done that way is
>about the worst answer? He looks at everything
>from bottom to top, tests, tries, and when he
>has an opinion it's usually based on experience
>and/or good science. And his pianos are the
>proof.
>
>Jim Busby BYU
--
OVERS PIANOS - SYDNEY
Grand Piano Manufacturers
_______________________
Web http://overspianos.com.au
mailto:ron at overspianos.com.au
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:39:11 -0400
From: "Ed Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
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My sense is that awareness travels exponentially.
I expect that within 2 years, Ron Nossaman will have a 10 year waiting list.
Those of us who are clever enough will be catching a ride on his coat-tails.
Ed Sutton March 9, 2009
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From: "Ron Overs" <sec at overspianos.com.au>
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
Jim,
I agree with your post. Simply continuing to
build the same spec., as was derived a century
ago, can't possibly yield state of the art. A
passionate quest for incorporating the results of
years of thinking and testing ideas is what moves
the knowledge base forward. Ron N. is one of a
small number who are working at further
developing tone building.
Thankfully, a few people in the USA seem to be
paying attention to these endeavours in progress.
Is this because US society seems to tolerate
itself believing that it can achieve? Here in
Australian our collective attitude seems to be
that the only people capable of achieving
anything are anyone else but Australians. We need
to grow up as a nation and realise that we have
pretty much the same bell-curve of intellectual
capability as exists elsewhere on the planet. The
Australian self-deprecating attitude that
pervades here, like some terminal disease,
doesn't seem to be doing us any favours.
Ron O.
>Hi Kevin,
>
>Welcome to the list!
>
>I agree about Ron's pianos. And I hope I don't embarrass Ron, but if you
>saw how small his shop is you'd be amazed. No ? million dollar machines in
>a spacious setting (I won't go any further RonS) just some common tools,
>mixed in with some VERY uncommon, creative ones, and about a million
>dollars of common sense! Very inspiring indeed.
>
>Ron does one thing that sets him apart from most of us; he questions
>everything. "Why do it that way??" Because it's always been done that way
>is about the worst answerS He looks at everything from bottom to top,
>tests, tries, and when he has an opinion it's usually based on experience
>and/or good science. And his pianos are the proof.
>
>Jim Busby BYU
--
OVERS PIANOS - SYDNEY
Grand Piano Manufacturers
_______________________
Web http://overspianos.com.au
mailto:ron at overspianos.com.au
_______________________
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:58:26 +0100
From: Richard Brekne <ricb at pianostemmer.no>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
To: caut at ptg.org
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I'd like to chime in a welcome to Kevin as well. And I agree as far as
it goes both about the pianos rebuilt (at least the one I've had the
pleasure of viewing) and Ron O's comments as to the desirability of
moving forward into new territory. Not that I mean in the same breath we
need scoff at what has been done before us, or overly blame people for
being people.... after all they will continue so in any case like it or
not. That said... I hope very much to one day be able to import either a
Nossaman or an Overs to these parts.
As far as Australians self image is concerned.... grin... Try the
Scandinavian version ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law
Cheers
RicB
Jim,
I agree with your post. Simply continuing to build the same spec.,
as was derived a century ago, can't possibly yield state of the art.
A passionate quest for incorporating the results of years of
thinking and testing ideas is what moves the knowledge base forward.
Ron N. is one of a small number who are working at further
developing tone building.
Thankfully, a few people in the USA seem to be paying attention to
these endeavours in progress. Is this because US society seems to
tolerate itself believing that it can achieve? Here in Australian
our collective attitude seems to be that the only people capable of
achieving anything are anyone else but Australians. We need to grow
up as a nation and realise that we have pretty much the same
bell-curve of intellectual capability as exists elsewhere on the
planet. The Australian self-deprecating attitude that pervades here,
like some terminal disease, doesn't seem to be doing us any favours.
Ron O.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:05:50 +1100
From: "Scott Jackson" <scottwaynejackson at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Message-ID: <BAY123-DAV76FB0D95A665CA29DF568A5A00 at phx.gbl>
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That is very good news. Perhaps it can include the easy to use aural
temperament pocket guide for tuners also?
Scott Jackson
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From: "Ed Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com>
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables
> We are in the first stages of planning a Journal "Temperament" issue which
> revisits temperaments in the context of the scholarship of the last 15
> years, with the intention of producing a reference document that would
have
> long-term value.
> Ed Sutton
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:34:41 -0600
From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
To: caut at ptg.org
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Fortenberry, Kevin wrote:
> To all,
>
> This is my first entry to the caut list. I am the new tech at Texas
> Tech University. Although this may be a bit delayed, I just want to
> put my 2 cents worth in on the Nossman-ized pianos. In a nutshell: they
> are INCREDIBLE! A large number of us from the TSA-PTG Seminar in
> Richardson a couple of years ago took tour to SMU and compared the
> Nossman Steinway D with a regular D side by side. I do not remember one
> negative comment about the Nossman, but there was an incredible amount
> of Ooo ing and AAhhhing, and WOWS and double WOWS. _Everyone_ needs to
> see and play one of these pianos to experience it for themselves. One
> of my favorite features is the elimination of the tri-chords in the
> bass. Every time I tune the bass (on the Smith piano)one of the 2 D s
> in our recital hall here, my mind goes back to that ?Nossman? and I
> think ?If only this piano could be Nossmanized?. The proof is in the
> pudding?give one of them a listen.
Wow! Thanks Kevin! Spent all day out there busting
inharmonicity on busted school pianos (after getting up an
hour early (mutter, mutter)), and came home to this. I feel
better already. <G>
Ron N
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:45:24 -0600
From: Ron Nossaman <rnossaman at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Nossman Rebuilds.
To: caut at ptg.org
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Jim Busby wrote:
> I agree about Ron?s pianos. And I hope I don?t embarrass Ron, but if you
> saw how small his shop is you?d be amazed. No ? million dollar machines
> in a spacious setting (I won?t go any further Ron?) just some common
> tools, mixed in with some VERY uncommon, creative ones, and about a
> million dollars of common sense! Very inspiring indeed.
Not embarrassed Jim, just awfully cramped. It is, or was, a
two car garage. In addition to workbenches, two band saws, a
table saw, planer, shelves, cabinets, soundboard dryer box,
furnace, flocks of tools and jigs, and the woodpile that
devoured Hoboken, I had two Ds and a B in there at the same
time last summer. Looked like I was raising Angus bulls in a
shoe box.
> Ron does one thing that sets him apart from most of us; he questions
> everything. ?Why do it that way??? Because it?s always been done that
> way is about the worst answer? He looks at everything from bottom to
> top, tests, tries, and when he has an opinion it?s usually based on
> experience and/or good science. And his pianos are the proof.
>
> Jim Busby BYU
Thank you, sir.
Ron N
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