Lately I have been using the Wessell Nickel and Gross action glue for hammers. I really like it but I don't have any long-term experience with it. Does anyone use it or have an opinion? Anyone know what it is? For hammer removal you can't beat the pliers that Jurgen sells. No heat necessary and it does not matter what glue was used. They always come right off leaving the shanks reusable. Ted Kidwell, RPT California State University, Sacramento Capistrano Hall, rm. 153 6000 J Street Sacramento, CA 95819-6015 916.278.6737 ________________________________ From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of reggaepass at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:30 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers If I'm not mistaken, the glycerin was suggested as an addition to HIDE glue, not the moulding glue as you wrote. Also, FWIW, I routinely replace shanks and flanges when I replace hammers, so ease of removal has not been a factor for me. Alan Eder -----Original Message----- From: Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> To: Ed Sutton <ed440 at mindspring.com>; caut at ptg.org Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers That's cool! Where does one get glycerin? How much per ounce of moulding glue? I'd love to hear more of this. Paul From: "Ed Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com<mailto:ed440 at mindspring.com>> To: <caut at ptg.org<mailto:caut at ptg.org>> Date: 11/03/2009 03:18 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers ________________________________ Eugene Thorndahl (of Bjorn Industries, supplier of fine grades of hide glue) suggested to me that a small addition of glycerin to the glue would prevent shattering of glue in the hammer head, and make for easy removal with heat. [I haven't tested this, or figured out just how much is optimal.] es ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Busby<mailto:jim_busby at byu.edu> To: caut at ptg.org<mailto:caut at ptg.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers Alan, Moulding glue is great. I mainly went back to hide because of its easy removal (we replace hammers a lot), strength, ease of use (using the "new" techniques) and "foolproof" bond - once you do it right. But moulding glue works VERY well. But take this class! This fellow (Shepherd) has written two books. One has something like "1000 tricks..." I don't own that book yet. Stephen Shepherd isn't a piano tech, but he will be teaching the class with Vince who is a world-class technician. Best, Jim From: caut-bounces at ptg.org<mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org> [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of reggaepass at aol.com<mailto:reggaepass at aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:51 PM To: caut at ptg.org<mailto:caut at ptg.org> Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers Henry, Well, I was about to tell you that I thought moulding glue was the way to go, without any equivocation. But if Jim Busby was humbled by all he didn't know about hide glue and is going back to it, I may feel the same way after attending Vince's class in Las Vegas. In the mean time though, we have pianos whose hammers are glued on with either hide glue or whatever Yamaha, Steinway, Baldwin and Bosendorfer have used over the past thirty years. The hammer sets I have hung using moulding glue are the ONLY ones in our inventory that have not developed loose glue joints between hammer and shank. Our RH swings from 10% 60% over the course of the year. YMMV, but if loose hammerheads are an issue in your situation, I would give moulding glue a shot. Alan Eder -----Original Message----- From: Jim Busby <jim_busby at byu.edu<mailto:jim_busby at byu.edu>> To: caut at ptg.org<mailto:caut at ptg.org> <caut at ptg.org<mailto:caut at ptg.org>> Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [CAUT] glue/hammers Hello Henry, I've used several glues, moulding glue being the favorite for years, but since Vince Mrykalo's hide glue class I went back to hide. Any problems I "thought" I had with hide glue are outweighed by the advantages. Stephen Shepherd and Vince will be giving a class in Las Vegas at the convention and you may be surprised at how many tricks these guys have. I was humbled by all I DIDN'T know. Jim Busby BYU From: caut-bounces at ptg.org<mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org> [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org<mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org?>] On Behalf Of Dr. Henry Nicolaides Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:42 PM To: College and University Technicians Subject: [CAUT] glue/hammers Hi List, Has anyone used and had success with other type glues in replacement of hammers? I've been wondering about the new Titebond white Moulding and Trim glue as well as the yellow glues. Seems like out of the bottle application would be an advantage especially when it is not anticipated to remove the hammer at a later date. Ease of use vs. ease of changing out hammers periodically.? Henry Nicolaides Piano Technician, School of Music Southern Illinois University Carbondale, Illinois 62901 henryn at siu.edu<mailto:henryn at siu.edu> ________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. 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