Wim- What is the consequence of not being an RPT? Why did you bother when you can charge for tuning without the RPT letters? Ed What I'm saying is that if you want to advance your learning beyond your RPT credentials, (which is a good thing to do), but you want to do it on your own, with your own curriculum, then do so. But don't make it a PTG run program. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Ed Sutton <ed440 at mindspring.com> To: College and University Technicians <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting(OT) Wim- What is the consequence of not being an RPT? Why did you bother when you can charge for tuning without the RPT letters? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: tnrwim at aol.com To: ed440 at mindspring.com ; caut at ptg.org Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting(OT) It might also be done in such a way that it is too interesting to ignore. hy do some members with 30, 40, 50 years experience continue to attend lasses, voluntarily? Personally, I favor the "create your own curriculum" approach. It's what the ost motivated people are doing already. Ed S. Then why have any kind of program? Unless there are consequences of not attending classes, or taking recert exams, if the only purpose of taking exams or attending classes are voluntary, why have any kind of curriculum or path of study? All it would do is create paper work for an overloaded staff, or put additional burdens on volunteers. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Ed Sutton <ed440 at mindspring.com> To: caut <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting(OT) Thus we see why, 30 years ago, old RPTs were grandfathered in, no test equired. If any change happens, it will, hopefully, be done in some way as to not enalize old members who don't want to participate. It might also be done in such a way that it is too interesting to ignore. hy do some members with 30, 40, 50 years experience continue to attend lasses, voluntarily? Personally, I favor the "create your own curriculum" approach. It's what the ost motivated people are doing already. Ed S. ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Susan Kline" <skline at peak.org> o: <caut at ptg.org> ent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:40 PM ubject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting(OT) >I remember the "passport to Excellence" and while it was a good idea, it >had no authority to it. And just as well that it didn't. Techs are independent cusses, who don't tolerate being forced to do something because some people in an organization have decided to order them around. Before requiring ongoing education and retesting of the whole RPT-holding Guild roster, one must consider how firmly attached they are to the organization. Their dislike of being coerced (and of tolerating the implied condescension), and the stresses on their schedule and finances (which are often stretched to the breaking point already) could easily find many of them dumping the organization before submitting to ongoing new requirements which take time and money. Remember that a large percentage of technicians are near retirement age. Their businesses are mature, and to the extent that they can be excellent at their work, many of them already are. The large number of people, many elderly, who attend meetings and conventions, and who like hands-on classes, is only possible, IMO, because they are voluntary, and because people enjoy seeing their friends and colleagues now and then. There is joy in lifelong learning, but that is because of the free exploration involved. One is following a path of one's own devising, seeing where it leads. Re-education and retesting sounds like a one-size-fits-all situation, and among veteran piano tuners, one size probably fits almost no one. Stepping away a few yards, and attempting to look at the problem objectively, some people are good at doing things on their own, and some are good at following directions and taking tests. The psychology of the credential assumes that these two groups hold exactly the same people, but is this really true? How much of the time? (Conrad's latest flamesuit carefully buttoned ...) Susan Kline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20100729/61b07aec/attachment.htm>
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