List: How about this! Frank Weston wrote: I'm an ex-Naval Aviator, have my ATR... and Warren Fisher wrote: I flew carrier aircraft in the Navy. Folks, Naval Aviators are the best there is! What an honor to be in communication with them. Frank summed up what my original thoughts were when he said: > Flying an airplane on autopilot and tuning a piano with a VTD are > excercises that share a very important attribute: the requirement for > human judgement tempered by experience. That focuses pretty much on the end product and reliance on that basic experience, which I was always trying to do. Some disagreed with my analogy, but they were focusing on the hardware, pointing out that an autopilot functions independent of the pilot but a ETD or VTD does not. This is a good point, but IMO, does not contribute to answering the question I posed: Can a person who cannot tune a piano using the basic tools and without an ETD be called a piano tuner. My implication was that an ETD is an _advanced_ tool. Someone wrote in and postulated that an ETD is an _essential_ tool. With all due respect, I don't think so. How can I clarify what I mean? Basic instruments/tools: Airplane Piano Tuning compass pitch reference (tuning fork, tone generator) airspeed indicator mutes (strip, rubber) altimeter tuning hammer This are just some examples. My point is/was that an ETD might not be included as a basic tool and proficiency and competency should be demonstrated without the use of advanced tools. Ron Nossaman wrote: > Dangerous stuff! How true. I am very sorry that the thread deteriorated into "ETD vs Aural" unless the vs stands for "vis a vis." I never intended to open an argument completely against using an ETD. I know too many excellent tuners who use machines and Dr. Al Sanderson is a friend of mine. Do not interpret my question as an attack on tuning devices. It is not. Nor do I see anything wrong with using an electronic pitch reference. My discussion was about showing tuning prociency without an ETD, not that ETD's should not be used, ever! Big difference. Actually, I have had thoughts of joining the ranks and getting an SAT. But then thoughts of old dogs and new tricks took over! Maybe some day... Thanks to all who contemplated this and responded. We had a great time, didn't we? Joel Rappaport Round Rock, Texas
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