Steinway 6'-5" #150455

Les Smith lessmith@buffnet.net
Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:29:25 -0500 (EST)


Hi, Steve.

I can give you a little information on this, but you're also going to
need some input from those who regularly change stringing scales and
replace soundboards, too. If the piano you're looking at has a rounded
off tail, it's a modified Model "O" whose case was elongated (and keys  
lengthened) to accept the spoolbox, air-motor, tracking mechanism and
other miscellaneous parts a Dou-Art player mechanism, the rest of which
was located under the piano. Over the years, Duo-Art made three different
models of their player: "Early","Late", and "Very Late". Your piano once
contained the "Early" Dou-Art mechanism, which was made and installed
by Aeolian, not Steinway. The "Late" Dou-Art mechanism is the most de-
sirable of the three, even though the "Very Late" is the rarest in terms
of the number of units built, but that's another post.

In evaluating your model "O" you have several factors to consider in
determining its current condition and value; whether you can possibly
get by with something less than a full rebuild, and how much it's all
going to cost. The fact is that after tinkering with the design of the
model "O", Steinway finally decided to dump it in favor of the model 
"L". Steinway changed the straight bass bridge found in earlier "O's
to a curved bridge; they changed the low wound tenor doubles to plain
string triples and then decided that the only way they could improve
things further was to change the case design altogether and go to one
that had a square tail instead of a rounded-off tail, Hence the model
"L" came into being. Thus, theoretically at least, on the face ot it,
one would have to conclude that--everything alse being equal--that
a model "L" is more desirable than an "O", because the switch of case
designs represented an improvement as far as the bass bridge--and hence
tone-quality--was concerned. Secondly, even among model "O's", the later
version would theoretically be more desirable than the early version,
for the same reason. Are you still with me? (If I've got any of this 
wrong, 300 tech's will shortly be jumping in to set me straight!)

The problem with your "O" is that the player mechanism is missing. A
model "O" case without the player mechanism will meet with some sales
resistence compared to a model "O" with a standard case. The elongated
case, with those extra inches between the fallboard and the plate and
tuning pins, looks strange and bulky--it just doesn't appear "right"
compared to a standard Steinway case. This is important because if
the piano is sold, without the player, it will go to someone who is
comparing it to other Steinways with "normal" cases. So the fact that
your piano is an "O" instead of an "L", and also an "O" with a non-
standard, "odd-looking" case, may both very well be considered negatives
when trying to sell it, or even when just appraising it. Also, although
a relatively minor point, your piano originally had ivory keys. Ivory
keytops in good condition on a vintage Steinway are a definite "plus"
as opposed to plastic keytops. So there's another small negative there.

Why are we talking about the negatives? Because you have to weigh them
into the equation when deciding how extensive a rebuild you want to do on
this piano, and how much money you're willing to invest in it. You say
that the soundboard has crown, the strings little or no downbearing on
bridges and that the sound and tone-quality are "weak and muffled". Boy
are you going to be surprised if you do only the bridge-work, restring
the piano  using the old soundboard and discover to your dismay that
the tone-quality is STILL weak and muffled! If you determined that there
is still crown in the soundboard by running a taut string alongside a rib
underneath it, did you do it with several ribs, or just one? I clearly
remember seeing a couple of rebuilt "O's" in recent years that looked
beautiful, but still exhibited the same, muffled, poor tone-quality you
describe in yours, because the rebuilder thought that old board was
"good-enough to get by" when it wasn't. In one case the dealer actually
asked me: "It sounds GREAT for a piano whose soundboard doesn't have any
measurable crown after restringing, huh, Les?" No. It didn't.So you might                                               
need to get someone who regularly replaces soundboards to take a look at
this piano and give you some informed input. Maybe you CAN get by using
the old soundboard, but you don't want to find out that you can't AFTER
you've already rebuilt the piano!

Also, piano technology has made SOME advances in the last 85 years and
it may very well be that you can get some help designing a new string-
ing scale for your "O" which is superior to the original one. Address
your soundboard and bridge concerns first, however. :)

I've rambled on enough and I'll let some of our heavy-duty Steinway
rebuilders jump in now. It should, however, be apparent the trying to
appraise the value of your "O" and estimating what it might take to
rebuild it so that it plays and sounds as it should, requires a lot more
input. Also, trying to cut corners on this and merely trying recondition
what's there, is sure to result in disappointment all around. 

I guess this post probably gave you some information you wish you hadn't
heard, but you have to know what you're getting in to ahead of time. 
You'll also probably get a bunch more posts on your "O" before this thread
is finished. It's a complicated subject, but if anyone has the answers,
these guys do. Good luck.

Les Smith      

PS findng a replacement Duo-Art player action for this piano is probably
the least of your worries, but the chances are poor, at best. 










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