Billbrpt wrote: > > In a message dated 98-03-13 21:57:23 EST, you write: > > << The average piano owner/player doesn't have the foggiest idea what a > temperament is, let alone an HT! And also, since they only get the thing > tuned once every ten years or so, what difference can it possibly make? HTs > have their place in the world of music, but.. > Dick RPT Montana >> > > It makes a LOT of difference. > > Bill Bremmer RPT > Madison, Wisconsin Bill, Your statement does not prove to me how it can make a LOT of difference. The truth is that it makes a difference to YOU. You are not the average owner/player, obviously. Dick made a statement based on his own experience. My experience is similar. I can remember a piano coach here at the local university campus rehearsing on the concert hall S & S D, tuned to a well-temperament from a previous concert, who was surprised to hear that the piano was not in ET. Now, if a concert pianist doesn't hear the difference... Alright, there may be lots of concert pianists that do but my point is that it is primarily we tuners, whose business it is to be aware of temperament structure, who can notice quieter or noisier intervals. Indeed, I have a customer who, for the life of him, cannot hear beats! He hears the fundamentals only and cannot detect the coincident partials, even the obvious ones. It seems to me that HTs would be completely lost on him. I liked what Susan had to say on this thread and have little to add other than to add emphasis to her statements: "Intonation and intervals are learned, not innate. Different cultures use very different scale patterns and interval sizes." Right or wrong, the overwhelming majority of the piano-playing public has been trained/brainwashed with ET just as Javanese gamelan players know and love their particular instrument tuning. I was raised on ET-tuned pianos since birth and am keenly aware of what the different intervals sound like based on an equal-tempered tuning. And, just as you would have to pry my cold, rigor-mortised hands off of my Mac laptop in order to interest me in a PC equivalent, I have yet to be persuaded by HT arguments (in spite of Ed Foote's beautiful CD!). When I hear an HT tuning, I interpret the different-from-ET beat speeds as "out of tune" or "improperly tuned". From an objective POV, there is no right or wrong about it. I'm only expressing my preference. I prefer a Macintosh mainly because that's what I started with; they are what I know. As of this writing, an ET tuning sounds right to me and, unless I can have an instrument that allows me to control pitch as I play, my preference is for a temperament without the kinks. There are plenty of expressive devices available to me on modern pianos. On the other hand, I do want to broaden my tuning skills by becoming adept at tuning HTs when appropriate. What's going to make the difference for me is when I tune my own piano in a Victorian temperament and play on it every day, to see if I can warm up to it any. I'm willing to try it. The chapter meeting will be here on Tuesday eve and it's also time to tune the restrung Steinway upright again so I'll probably do the tuning tomorrow. Will let you know what sort of reaction I get from the unsuspecting members. Tom -- Thomas A. Cole RPT Santa Cruz, CA
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