Hi Paul, No, I have not joined the list yet. COuld you send the address to me? I seem to remember something about it but I don't have a clue where I put the address, if I ever had it. There is a way to make a traditional tuner's knot by taking a coil off each tuning pin and placing the knot between the capo bar and the bearing bar. Doug Strong used to do this all the time at the university until he had twenty or so then it was time to send it to the shop and have it restrung. I did it once but I never mastered the technique. There was a Journal article on the technique some 15 or so years ago. Well, off to the next message. Take care and hope to see you again soon. Newton
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