ETD Question

[Richard Brekne]

Terry, these kind of discussions always provoke many passionate responses
as well as more to the point posts.

As far as I am aware the only real statistics available point to a
significant difference in the results obtained on the tuning exam from
those examinees who have learned to tune mostly with an ETD versus those
who learned to tune first aurally. The ETD group does poorly.

This points to my mind of thinking to exactly the kind of weakness we all
need to be aware of relating to the use of ETD in general. That it is
indeed all to easy to mis-use. And this is sad indeed because, as rightly
pointed out by many ETD advocates, the ETD can be an extremly valuable
tool.. both for learning and for improving skills, as well as for research. 

As far as your analogy to the writter and his wordprocessor... not really a
valid one now is it ?? I mean the word processer has no ability to write
the book for you, where as the ETD can certainly take over the entire
process... if you let it.

Which brings us to the only other hard fact we seem to know about all this.
Namely that whatever benifits / detrimants the ETD has are entirely (or at
least to a very large degree) the result of how the ETD is used.

As far as I can see... the rest is pretty much speculation, hunchy,
hypothetical... unsubtantiated.

my view

Farrell wrote:
> 
> Should there be clarification regarding "tuners I know who have started
> tuning electronically have said it has enhanced their tuning ability" and
> "he admitted he has lost the ability to tune aurally - i.e. is there a
> difference between tuning ability and tuning aurally? My guess is that there
> is. Is an author who uses a word processor less of a writer than one who
> composes the novel longhand (or in this case an intermediate - one that uses
> a typewriter)? I await responses while ducking (as in duck & cover) with
> VERY THICK flame suit on!
> 
> Terry Farrell
> Piano Tuning & Service
> Tampa, Florida
> mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Wimblees@AOL.COM>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: ETD Question
> 
> > In a message dated 6/9/00 7:08:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Kdivad@AOL.COM
> > writes:
> >
> > << Wim, while I do believe that there is the distinct possibility of
> getting
> > out
> >  of shape aurally I would like to know about those reports.  What kind of
> >  reports are they?  Are these reports anecdotal?  The reason that I ask is
> >  most of the tuners I know who have started tuning electronically have
> said
> > it
> >  has enhanced their tuning ability.  Of course these are conscientious
> people
> >  who care about their skill and profession.
> >
> >  David Koelzer >>
> >
> >
> > I mentioned one name at the beggining of my report,. Carol Beigel admitted
> > she has lost that edge. One more example. (I don't want to use names here,
> > because while I know the person who told me the story, I do not know the
> name
> > of the person who lost the ability). An RPT technician was tutoring a
> student
> > and asked another RPT to help. The "other RPT" was reluctant because he
> > admitted he has lost the ability to tune aurally.
> >
> > These are two examples. Is that enough?
> >
> > Wim
> >

-- 
Richard Brekne
Associate PTG, N.P.T.F.
Bergen, Norway