Open face vs. closed face pin blocks

[Stephen P Clubb]

Hi all,

I just thought I would clear up the issue of tensile strength. 25,000 psi
means that if you took a piece of the raw material that was 1" in
diameter, it would take 25,000 lbs to pull it apart. It does not take
into account any specific design strengths in the piano itself.

Stephen


On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:11:11  0000 "Phillip L Ford" <fordpiano@lycos.com>
writes:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:13:37  
>  Delwin D Fandrich wrote:
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Phillip L Ford" <fordpiano@lycos.com>
> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> >Sent: August 16, 2001 10:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: Open face vs. closed face pin blocks
> >
> >
> >> I checked my notes.  This is not from a handout but from a note 
> that
> >> I wrote down myself.  Gray iron 35 ksi.  I could have made a 
> mistake.
> >>
> >> I checked a couple of engineering references.  Representative 
> numbers
> >> are:
> >>
> >> ASTM A 48  Class 20 to Class 60 with tensile strengths of
> >> 20000 to 60000 psi.
> >>
> >> So, 35000 psi is certainly well within this range.  It would 
> depend on the
> >> specific 'recipe' that Kelly is using.  Also, I don't know if 
> they use the
> >> same recipe for everyone's plates.
> >
> >At the time Kelly was using the same mix for everybody. I don't 
> know if that
> >has changed since the early 1990s. I wanted to move up to something 
> in the
> >35,000 psi range for our plates and was told it couldn't be done.
> >
> >
> >
> >> The different classes have different
> >> microstructure with some changes in various properties that 
> certain
> >> manufacturers may want.  For instance, I believe damping capacity 
> and
> >> machinability increase as you move down in class and strength, 
> stiffness,
> >> and wear resistance go up as you move up in class.
> >
> >This is essentially the case. The properties of gray iron castings 
> depend
> >only partially on the actual mix. They also depend on several
> >characteristics of the casting process: how fast the iron is 
> poured, how
> >fast it is allowed to cool, its cross-sections, etc. If you break 
> up a piano
> >plate and test it for tensile strength you'll find that this varies
> >considerably from one area to another.
> >
> >Del
> >
> 
> ---
> True, which brings up the question:  What does Kelly mean by 25,000 
> PSI
> strength for their plates?  Is that the minimum strength anywhere in 
> the
> casting, the average strength, the max strength?
> 
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
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