S&S tuning pins...

[Tom Servinsky]

Wouldn't the absence of tuning bushings also suggest the need for a much
more finely fitted pinblock, as it should, thus possibly producing a
side-effect of inhibiting the tone? Just a thought.
It has been evident that many current production instruments which use
tuning pin bushings also disregard the need to fit the pinblock. Yamaha and
Kawai come to mind.
I am interested in hearing the opinions out there who have converted pianos
(like Yamaha or Kawai) with blocks properly fitted and eliminated the tuning
bushings altogether. Any tonal improvement?
Tom Servinsky,RPT
----- Original Message -----
From: "antares" <antares@EURONET.NL>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: S&S tuning pins...


> Hello Friend Brekne and Del,
>
> You two asked me for an explanation in regard to my former statements?
>
> I must disappoint you, I can not give a scientific reason. On the other
> hand, I did not say why tuning pins bushings  influence the tone, I just
> said they do.
>
> That I can explain :
>
> My first encounter with this was may years ago during my very first visit
at
> the Steinway factory in Hamburg.
> I asked why STW did not have tuning pins bushings and they told me that it
> gave another tone..I did not understand it but just took swallowed that
> explanation.
> Then many years later in 1998 I did the Yamaha Concert grand course and
'my
> instrument' was a prototype without bushings and it did sound much better.
> the tone was more clear and open.
> Since then all CFIIS grand have tuning pins without bushings and the do
> sound better.
>
> It probably has to do with energy not being killed by this 'collar around
> the neck'
>
> friendly greetings
> from
>
> Antares,
>
> Amsterdam, Holland
>
> "where music is, no harm can be"
>
> > From: Richard Brekne <rbrekne@operamail.com>
> > Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
> > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:42:15 +0200
> > To: pianotech@ptg.org
> > Subject: Re: S&S tuning pins...
> >
> > 22.08.2001 18:47:25, antares <antares@EURONET.NL> wrote:
> >
> >> Tuning pin bushings influence the tone, that is why Yamaha some years
ago
> >> finally decided to not use tuning pin bushings anymore on their
> >> flagship..the CFIIIS.
> >>
> >> friendly greetings
> >> from
> >>
> >> Antares,
> >>
> >
> > Anters Mio !!... :) Ok now you put your foot in it. This puts me back on
the
> > snuffs of this circle of sound thing I have heard a few times, and up to
now
> > its been
> > presented in such a way that it seems simply like something out of the
book of
> > the Templars or something.  However, there is often as not some element
of
> > truth in even
> > the strangest of legends they say.... so to the point.... just how do
tuning
> > pin bushings influence the tone of an instrument, and to what degree do
they
> > do so. And while
> > you are at it.. how does this influence on tone work into the discussion
about
> > open face vs closed face pin blocks ?
> >
> > btw... good to "see" you again !
> >
> > Richard Brekne
> >
> >
>