Comments interspersed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Birkett" <birketts@wright.aps.uoguelph.ca> To: <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: December 11, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Temperament, A pianist responds > Read carefully. I make no conclusions about a dead composer's preferences. >Do you imagine if Beethoven could play his pieces on a modern > concert grand that he would prefer the pianos of his day? (My >question) Yes. (Your answer) > Beethoven's piano music was written > for the instruments at his disposal, not for a modern piano. Beethovens music was written on the instruments at his disposal. Whether you can extrapolate to say that it is therefore not for modern instruments is a personal opinion. > > Recall that > > Beethoven was writing piano pieces with notes that did not yet exist on his own piano. > > Oh? which notes? which compositions? which piano? The example that comes to mind is of a low Eb that appears even though his piano ended at low E. I don't recall the piece exactly and will have to look it up, maybe op. 7 or op. 81a. But there are several other places where octave passages are modified to sixths because the octaves would have extended beyond the boundaries of the keyboard. I believe the piece in question op. 90 has such a spot. Again, I will have to look them up co cite specific measure. But these are issues which are fairly well know and documented and, to be fair, are argued back and forth as to what is the correct way to approach them > But many fine pianists don't > prefer it and find the larger range and tonal palette of a modern piano > offering a greater means of expression without compromising the > intentions of the composer. > Why would you want a range larger than is required by a composition? How do the extra notes help in interpretation? By range, I mean dynamic range not note range. This all has gotten a bit away from the original discussion which was to do with HT's. I cited Beethoven as an example of where E major in WT may not necessarily follow the philosophy of the use of HT's in particular piece. I am well aware of the debate about historical instruments. The camps are represented by those who feel that music such as we are discussing must be played on the instruments of the day (Wanda Landowska, "You play Bach your way and I'll play him his way." or something like that), and others who feel that the music transcends the time in which it was composed. I recognize the value of returning to the historical instruments, and yes, even temperaments for pedagogical and research purposes. But I am more inclined to believe that the music transcends the time and can be faithful to the composer while performed on modern instruments with modern temperaments. This is not a new or novel idea. Scholars much more knowledgeable than I have debated this for years. Attempts at understanding the intention of the composer is what musical interpretation is all about. We are lucky in the case of Beethoven that he wrote so many dynamic instructions in his pieces. Not enough to answer every question, but certainly more than, say, Mozart. Are we to assume that Mozart should be played with only the dynamic markings that he happened to write? Or should we try to interpret his intentions about phrasing, crescendi and decrescendi, etc. based on what we know about his music and the traditions that have been passed down. There is always room for interpretation, that is what makes each performers performance unique. I don't think there is a definite answer to these questions and wasn't trying to argue my way or the highway. I was initially responding to what I perceived as rigidity in the acceptable way to experience music. It is certainly easier to argue that Beethoven should only be heard on the instruments of his day. But it is speculation that the instruments drove the compositions. To do otherwise is to do what you and others have erroneously accused me of doing, and that is to impute motivations to the composer that we can't really know. I certainly can't argue that had he had the choice he would have selected the more modern piano. But since he didn't have the choice, we can no more argue that he would have chosen his own instruments. This discussion has been interesting. For me it's time to move on. David Love
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