Sound waves(The behavior of soundboards)

John Delacour JD@Pianomaker.co.uk
Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:48:48 +0000


At 12:40 PM -0600 12/19/01, Ron Nossaman wrote:

>Ok John, I answered your questions again. Now how about you answering mine?
>We're still holding at two, listed according to age.
>
>1. How minute does a movement have to be to be nonexistent?

That seems to be a metaphysical question, but I'll answer the 
question you seem to mean.  You have talked from the beginning of the 
bridge rocking and moving up and down and Del and Ron Overs 
apparently share your view of these matters.  From what all of you 
have said at various times in this thread and in previous threads, 
including that on longitudinal waves, I get an increasingly clear 
impression of your concerted view, and many details of this view make 
no sense to me at all.  In order for a body to move, a force needs to 
be applied (Newton's first law?).  If I take a 2" x 2" x 12"  steel 
bar, lay it on a surface and tap the end with a light hammer, the bar 
will not move because the applied force is less than the limiting 
friction.  If I hit it with a larger hammer, the bar will move.  In 
both cases the whole bar will vibrate and the sound wave will spread 
throughout the bar.

>2. Why doesn't touching the fork to the edge of the soundboard not produce
>the same tone as touching it to the top if it's compression wave driven?

Well, apart from the extreme difficulty I have in picturing how you 
would set up a valid test for this, it is no doubt possible to test. 
One would need to make sure that the impedance at each test point was 
identical to start with and that would mean dressing the edge with 
something.  You've obviously made such an experiment so how did you 
set it up and what did you discover?  But I think you are missing 
something.  The vibration or compression wave that I claim in my 
theory to pass from the string termination through the bridge to the 
soundboard reaches the soundboard in such a direction as to induce 
transverse vibrations in the soundboard.  That has never been at 
issue.  There are certainly compression waves in the board as well 
but these are secondary and would lead to a rather fruitless 
discussion at this stage.  It is obvious that if one holds the tuning 
fork against the edge of the board, the board is being induced to 
vibrate at 180 degrees to the surface and there is no direct stimulus 
to cause it to vibrate transversally, though in the nature of things 
a small proportion of the vibration will excite a degree of 
transverse vibration.

The difference between us is that I see the movement of the 
soundboard as the result of vibrations passing through the bridge to 
"hit" it at a right angle and shake it up and down, whereas you see 
the whole bridge as moving and rocking and what not and shaking the 
board.  The bridge certainly does move bodily once the soundboard has 
received the energy to cause it to vibrate, but according to your 
theory it is the bodily movement of the bridge that pushes and pulls 
the soundboard up and down.  The more arguments you and the others 
give in support of this theory, the more incredible it seems to me.

JD



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