Virgil's naturaL beats

[Jon Page]

At 11:44 AM 02/11/2001 +0100, you wrote:


>"Jim Coleman, Sr." wrote:
>
> > Hi to all:
> >
> > Paul Revenko-Jones' post on Virgil's phenomena has stimulated me to
> > thinking that maybe Virgil really has something here. Virgil and I are
> > good friends and for over 20 years he has been trying to help me
> > understand his view of what he hears. I continue to trip over his use of
> > the word beatless, but now I'm thinking that there may be a sense in
> > which he does hear something beatless. I would like to get the HT people
> > involved in this discussion at this point, because there seems to be
> > something akin to this in the equal-beating scheme of historical tunings
> > which gives the impression of no beats when actually there are beats.
> >
> > I have heard the HT people say that when there are proportional beatings
> > in a temperament chord, the beatings counteract one another.
>
>I was thinking along similiar lines last night Jim... Bill Bremmer is often
>on about a "canceling out" effect when tuning unisions. Perhaps we are
>dealing with something along those lines. We are dealing with a lot of
>partials intereracting when playing the two notes in an octave. Even if we
>consider only the most predominant coicidents there is an awfull lot going
>on. I liked Keiths comment about including (or at least not discounting) the
>contribution of non-coincidents to the "whole" in this regard.

When I was instructed on tuning, one check was that a major triad would
cancel the slow roll of the fifth.

Jon Page

>I cant help but think that there must be something measureable about all
>this. Its like if you can hear it and utilize it as consistantly as it would
>seem our colleague Virgil does... then some how or another it should be able
>to pick up via our ETD's... or perhaps some not yet thought of variant of
>todays ETDs. Yet another reason for moving towards multipartial displays in
>todays ETD's.
>
>
> > What say
> > you, Ed Foote, Bill Bremmer, Paul Bailey, Owen Jorgensen? Could Virgil be
> > saying something which you all recognize as one of the benefits of equal
> > beating HT's? Let's try to pursue this without the personalities issues
> > coming up.
> >
> > Jim Coleman, Sr.
>
>I am curioius to how Virgil deals with rouge partials... ie really bad
>sounding para inharmonicities.
>
>
>
>--
>Richard Brekne
>RPT, N.P.T.F.
>Bergen, Norway
>mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no