ETDs - The beat goes on

[Joe & Penny Goss]

PATRICK,
The Verituner handles this problem one note at a time compairing the note
being tuned to the others that have been tuned ab\ns the stretch that you
have chosen to use whether one of the desiners or your own.
After the first tuning all notes have been sampled and the next go round
uses all the numbers to make the tuning.

Joe Goss
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick C Poulson" <pcpoulso@pacbell.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: ETDs - The beat goes on


> Clyde: This has been my usual experience in using the SAT on pianos where
> the wound strings come up above C3.  The higher the intrusion, the more
the
> offset - typically.  Some pianos are better scaled than others, and  don't
> need so much tweaking to get  a good progression of octaves.  I wonder how
> the Verituner and other ETDs handle this problem? Patrick Poulson, RPT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clyde Hollinger" <cedel@supernet.com>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:13 AM
> Subject: ETDs - The beat goes on
>
>
> > Friends,
> >
> > I have been using RCT for almost three years now.  Before that I tuned
> primarily
> > aurally.  One thing I noticed is that with some pianos (for example most
> Wurlitzer
> > consoles and spinets), if I start in the middle and head toward the
bass,
> I will get
> > substantial beating in the octaves as soon as I cross over to the first
> wound
> > strings.
> >
> > Now my mindset (rightly or wrongly) is that if a person needs to do
> multiple checks
> > on every note with an ETD and make adjustments, then there's not much
> point in using
> > as ETD at all.  Yes, I understand the viewpoint of those who say it is
> just a
> > helpful tool.  They imply one should always question and ETD's
judgement.
> But the
> > main reason I bought one was to increase both efficiency and accuracy.
> >
> > So what I do is check the octaves, fifths, fourths and thirds when I
cross
> over to
> > the first wound strings.  What I find is that frequently for those small
> Wurlitzers
> > I can get significantly improved results in the octaves (and improved or
> at least
> > acceptable 5ths, 4ths and 3rds) by adding 1.5 to 2 cents to RCT for the
> wound
> > strings.  I have found some 1980 Everett studio pianos where even +3
cents
> seems
> > necessary.
> >
> > I have never had any coaching for tuning, so there is a sense in which I
> have some
> > self-doubts.  (I did pass the RPT tuning exam on the first try.)
> Nevertheless I
> > keep some very good musicians happy, although I am certain my tuning is
> not
> > "world-class."  In the challenges that Jim Coleman has made to compare
an
> ETD tuning
> > with any aural tuning, I do wonder how this would come out for him if
the
> tunings
> > were done on a Wurlitzer spinet with RCT.
> >
> > I have also found that most grands (not the very little ones) and old
> uprights will
> > have very good tunings by just following the spinner all the way.  And
> even some
> > spinets sound fine.  I assume it's all in the scaling.
> >
> > Now my questions.  Is my hearing funny?  Would SATIII and Verituner
react
> the same
> > way as I cross over to the wound strings?  Has anyone else noticed the
> phenomenon I
> > refer to when crossing to the wound strings?  Am I in need of some
serious
> > re-education here?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clyde
> >
> >