>Are you aware of harold Conklin's research in this area? > >Stephen Some. Mostly from his "Design and Tone in the mechanistic piano, Part III. Piano strings and scale design". He puts the first longitudinal mode of plain steel strings at roughly 2500/L, with L being the speaking length in meters. Speaking lengths between 0.05-2M produce approximate longitudinal frequencies of 1.25-50 kHz. This is just a tad beyond the frequencies of the shortest rear duplex scale ratio to speaking length you might find. He limits the phenomenon to the speaking length too, rather than to the overall string length. Did he publish later material that obsoletes this? I'd sure like to get a look at it if he did. Ok Stephen and JD, if that trick of plucking the front duplex segment and getting a fundamental tone from the speaking length is the result of longitudinal mode vibrations going over the capo (rather than transverse vibrations and a levering rocking motion at the capo, which the Steinway patent mentioned without specifically naming as lowering string breakage incidence), and if these longitudinal vibrations pass so easily directly across the bridge that they excite the rear duplex, then you should be able to pluck the rear duplex segment and get a fundamental tone from the speaking length of that same string. When I try it, I get the pitch of the duplex segment from what appears to be the general surrounding area, rather than the speaking length (and not at the fundamental at that) of that specific string. This does not compute with the longitudinal bleed through model, but does as a secondary effect produced by general bridge movement. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but it seems reasonable to me for the two duplexes that are both claimed to be working by the same mechanism, to work the same way. They don't, at least on my piano. Everything I've seen and done along these lines still indicates to me that the front duplex is driven by a transverse vibration, leverage and capo pivoting action (why would deflection angle alter the effect when it doesn't at the bridge if they are both longitudinal effects?), and the rear duplex is driven by general bridge movement. Ron N
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