curiosity about a method of temperament tuning

[Isaac OLEG SIMANOT]

Stephen,

Your Korg give you a bad idea of the temperament, the first octave is not
'pure' .

This is probably because of the Korg that your thirds are too slow - learn
to tune any temperament method by ear, then you will begin to learn to tune
right (and no matter if the temperament is not perfect, it will probably be
better than with the Korg).

Regards.

Isaac

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part
> de Stephen Airy
> Envoyé : mardi 27 novembre 2001 04:24
> À : pianotech@ptg.org
> Objet : Re: curiosity about a method of temperament tuning
>
>
> I'm not really using this method right now.  I'm using
> a cheap $15 Kong chromatic tuner for the temperament
> octave (F3-F4) cause I can't afford anything better.
>
> Btw, the middle section of my piano is C3 to C#5, all
> plain trichords.  Whichever method I use to tune the
> temperament, I occasionally wind up with a slightly
> fast fifth or fourth here and there, but most often an
> extra-slow third, usually in the temperament octave,
> but often below, as far down as the lowest note on the
> long bridge if not straddling the break by a couple
> notes.  (Slow as in bps should be around 4 to 5 but
> it's more like 2 or 3.)
>
> Also, within a couple days, I have often found octaves
> in the 5th and 6th octaves that were flat on the high
> side, often by ~5-8bps or more.  There has been
> improvement in this area, but there's still room for
> more.
>
> --- A440A@AOL.COM wrote:
> > <<I wonder how close I could come by
> > just tuning the temperament (via intervals) solely
> > by
> > ear (not counting the beat rates or using an
> > electronic device, just tuning to what "sounds"
> > good)?
> >  Any ideas how close to a correct temperament
> > someone
> > could come using this method?>>
> >
> > Greetings,
> >   That depends on what "correct" means to you.  If
> > you are aiming at ET, I
> > don't believe this method will pass a Guild test. At
> > least, the ones I have
> > seen didn't.  By being off 1 cent on a couple of
> > fifths, you will skew your
> > thirds as far out as some mild well-temperaments.
> > That would be fine, except
> > they won't be in the traditional order so the music
> > will suffer some
> > alteration.
> >   Now,  if you wanted to tune the Young, regarded as
> > an idealized form of
> > well-tempered tuning,  you only need listen to
> > fifths to create a very
> > sophisticated, complex, temperament.  You tune 6
> > pure fifths, from
> > C-F-Bb-Eb-G#-C#-F#, then six equally impure fifths
> > going the other way, ie,
> > C-G-D-A-E-B-F#. (transpose with fourths to stay in
> > the octave, of course),
> > This will give you three thirds with  syntonic
> > commas, the CE, GB, and FA
> > thirds are all 5.8 cents wide and the thirds in
> > between progress in size as
> > you move by fifths.  You will have three thirds that
> > are 21 cents wide, etc.
> > A tuning like this can shed a whole new light on
> > music of its era.
> >   Try it, you'll like it.
> > REgards,
> > Ed Foote
> >
>
>
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