---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Delwin D Fandrich wrote: > > > Sounds like you're describing the S&S pianos I prepped back in the > 1970s and 1980s. Or current Kawai and Yamaha pinblock to plate flange > fitting. While I have limited personal experience with Petrof pianos, > quite a few of my acquaintances have quite a lot and they relate > little of what you describe in the pianos they service. Who am I to > believe? (In fairness to S&S, their build quality has improved quite a > bit since then though most of the design issues remain.) > > > Not having much experience with NY Steinways of that period, I will > simply have to take your word on that, Tho I have lots of Hamburgs > laying around from that time and none of those show even the remotest > sign of these kinds of problems. Kawai's we dont see a lot of here, > butYamahas are aplenty everywhere you go... but that plate flange > fitting gets into this tuning pin bushing story. Cant say I have run > into a Yamaha that needed a new block yet so I havent had the > opportunity to really check this out. When I do, I think I might have > a go at leaving out the bushings... just out of curiosity... I know I > know... magic circle....still it might be fun to try out. > > > > I still maintain that a well designed inexpensive piano > > can/will outperform a poorly designed expensive one. It's > > just that there is a dearth of well designed pianos > > available in any price range. (At least by 2001 design > > standards. There are quite a few well designed pianos by > > 1901 standards.) > > > I dont recall anyone mentioning a problem with piano > >>design<< issues. But ok.. have it your way. I still > maintain that a poorly built piano, regardless of how well > designed it is, will remain a poorly built piano and as such > will not outperform much of anything. > > Yes, it will remain a poorly built piano but it might well outperform > those S&S pianos you're so fond of. At least initially. But this does > bring up another point of performance, and one that is deliberately > hidden (usually) from the original buyer. And that is one of > longevity. > > One reason I've consistently recommended that folks buy pianos like > the S&S, even though I'm fully aware of their faults, is that in fifty > or a hundred years our ancestors will be able to rebuild/remanufacture > them and they will keep on going, serving the musical needs of yet > future generations. > > I consider this to be a part of the overall performance package. And > it is one reason why I do not endorse some pianos that many on this > list regard as great and wonderful instruments. They are going to be > virtually impossible to rebuild/remanufacture when the time comes. Or > their value will be so low as to make that option financially > unattractive. > > I have a growing contempt for disposable pianos, modern or old, cheap > vertical or concert grand. The earth does not, and cannot have given > today's population, the resources to continue satisfying society's > desire for cheap, disposable products whether they be pianos or > widgets. > > Grin... outside of this tendancy you have of insisting on putting > words into my mouth... I find myself happily in complete aggreement > with the remainder of this posting. I am especially in aggreement and > pleased to see you make the point about longevity. I was going to get > into this myself on the spinoff thread you have about Prambergers, but > I have not run into a Pramy YC yet. But my experience with previous YC > and Samicks has been that they up and die really early. I've seen many > as 10 to 15 years old that just dont have any "Klang" left... I mean > nothing at all... just a weird sort of thudish sound. > > I am also not particular pleased with the throw away mentality. And > for similiar reasons to your own. > > Del > Delwin D Fandrich > Piano Designer & Builder > Hoquiam, Washington USA > E.mail: pianobuilders@olynet.com > Web Site: www.pianobuilders.com > -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. Bergen, Norway mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/8f/e9/71/0c/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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