E.T.D.

[David Ilvedson]

Do you saute the baloney first?  Is it a cream sauce or tomatoee...?  Onions?...;-]

My first ETD was a Yamaha PT4.  Big, heavy, AC cord...nice cathode ray screen with easy to read green blocks moving left or right.  I used it to approximate a temperment, making changes as necessary (often) and approximating the stretch up and down with adjustments with my ear...I tuned for many concert artists with that machine/ear and had no problems...what this says to me, is you can get away with a lot more than you'd think!  The SAT II & III have done me well.  I wouldn't mind getting into the PocketPC/RCT at some point though...

David I.



----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: "Alan R. Barnard" <mathstar@salemnet.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:48:41 -0500
Subject: Re: E.T.D.

>At the risk of repeating myself:

>Baloney Sauce.

>I bought the Yamaha (used on eBay) when I first got into the biz because it
>was all I could afford.

>Here is the secret for getting pretty nice tunings with the PT100: Learn to
>tune the bass by ear right off. <<You are right about the bass, Devlon>> The
>Yamaha won't stretch most pianos enough going down. If you set the scale to
>the best approximation of the Yamaha piano sizes, however, you WILL get a
>decent temperament and treble on most pianos. The SAT would be much more
>flexible and better, all-around. But if all you can afford is the PT-100 go
>forth and tune--and use it to help you tune without it!

>BTW I tune for three conservatory trained, outstanding pianists. Their
>pianos are: Steinway S, Samick, and Chickering grands. All are very pleased
>with their tunings and, since I had to start this way, I tune them all with
>the Yamaha. BUT, I tune down from the temperament by ear, always, and I
>check my temperament by ear, always (4ths, 5ths, running 3rds and 6ths,
>etc.), I test up and down with 3rd-10th-17ths, always, and usually the 5ths.
>Only rarely do I change a temperament or treble note from the ETD and when I
>do, it is usually over a break or some other point where "somthin' ain't
>right" so inharmonicity is compensated for. This has been my $0.02

>Alan R. Barnard
>Salem, MO

>----- Original Message -----
>From: <BSHARPTUNE@AOL.COM>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:01 AM
>Subject: Re: E.T.D.


>> Brian,  I have owned a PT-100 for a long time.  I bought one before I
>really
>> understood inharmonicity and how to tune a piano.  The PT-100 is almost
>> useless as an ETD.  It has pitch curves that only match 6 Yamaha pianos
>which
>> I think are all slightly narrow on the bass side.  It's only use now is to
>> chip pianos.
>>
>> Devlon