E.T.D.

[Alan R. Barnard]

Well said, but it must be pointed out that the PT-100II is light years
advanced from the PT4.

The motto of the Baloney & Hot Dog industry is: "If it moves, it's meat."

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: E.T.D.


> Do you saute the baloney first?  Is it a cream sauce or tomatoee...?
Onions?...;-]
>
> My first ETD was a Yamaha PT4.  Big, heavy, AC cord...nice cathode ray
screen with easy to read green blocks moving left or right.  I used it to
approximate a temperment, making changes as necessary (often) and
approximating the stretch up and down with adjustments with my ear...I tuned
for many concert artists with that machine/ear and had no problems...what
this says to me, is you can get away with a lot more than you'd think!  The
SAT II & III have done me well.  I wouldn't mind getting into the
PocketPC/RCT at some point though...
>
> David I.
>
>
>
> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
> From: "Alan R. Barnard" <mathstar@salemnet.com>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Received: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:48:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: E.T.D.
>
> >At the risk of repeating myself:
>
> >Baloney Sauce.
>
> >I bought the Yamaha (used on eBay) when I first got into the biz because
it
> >was all I could afford.
>
> >Here is the secret for getting pretty nice tunings with the PT100: Learn
to
> >tune the bass by ear right off. <<You are right about the bass, Devlon>>
The
> >Yamaha won't stretch most pianos enough going down. If you set the scale
to
> >the best approximation of the Yamaha piano sizes, however, you WILL get a
> >decent temperament and treble on most pianos. The SAT would be much more
> >flexible and better, all-around. But if all you can afford is the PT-100
go
> >forth and tune--and use it to help you tune without it!
>
> >BTW I tune for three conservatory trained, outstanding pianists. Their
> >pianos are: Steinway S, Samick, and Chickering grands. All are very
pleased
> >with their tunings and, since I had to start this way, I tune them all
with
> >the Yamaha. BUT, I tune down from the temperament by ear, always, and I
> >check my temperament by ear, always (4ths, 5ths, running 3rds and 6ths,
> >etc.), I test up and down with 3rd-10th-17ths, always, and usually the
5ths.
> >Only rarely do I change a temperament or treble note from the ETD and
when I
> >do, it is usually over a break or some other point where "somthin' ain't
> >right" so inharmonicity is compensated for. This has been my $0.02
>
> >Alan R. Barnard
> >Salem, MO
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <BSHARPTUNE@AOL.COM>
> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: E.T.D.
>
>
> >> Brian,  I have owned a PT-100 for a long time.  I bought one before I
> >really
> >> understood inharmonicity and how to tune a piano.  The PT-100 is almost
> >> useless as an ETD.  It has pitch curves that only match 6 Yamaha pianos
> >which
> >> I think are all slightly narrow on the bass side.  It's only use now is
to
> >> chip pianos.
> >>
> >> Devlon
>
>