Unison Flatter than each Individual string?

[David Ilvedson]

It has been awhile since I tuned with a fork but I believe thats the test I used...how would do it aurally?...17th?

David I.


----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: Robin Hufford <hufford1@airmail.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:45:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Unison Flatter than each Individual string?

>David,
>     Although I can see the point you make as to the ease of setting the A(4) by reading
>the machine, setting it by using "aural" methods is by no means masochistic nor in any
>degree as difficult as you suggest, nor should it be any basis for egotism as i     As A(4)
>is not is not a harmonic of  F(3); that is the tenth below, then using a tenth to derive a
>reference tone is not the best or even acceptable practice and would indeed be
>masochistic.  The correct reference tone in which  an F is employed requ     There are
>many fine uses for an ETD of which I own a SAT II but the task of pitch transfer is not
>one, in my opinion, in which a great advantage can be obtained simply by substituting a
>machine in the place of the very easy, readily learned and execuRegards, Robin
>Hufford
>David Ilvedson wrote:

>> I would imagine tuning with a tuning fork/ear and tuning unisons as you go while
>setting the temperment would be a quite challenge mainly because you would have to
>retune 3 strings when making the inevitable adjustments.  Also If those unisons aren't
>sose!
>, !
>> for instance, every note has drifted up in reaction to the tuning.  This is hard for the
>ear to decern unaided as many of the aural checks are still in the ballpark.  For the life
>of me I can't understand why good aural tuners are not taking advantage o>
>> Example:
>>
>> With a tuning fork, the "aural" tuner strikes the fork and roughs in the piano's note to
>the fork.  Then, for instance,  probably checks with a 10th interval between the piano's
>F-A and the piano's F and the fork's A. Makes adjustments to the piano's A4>
>> Conrad, please overnight me the usual...
>>
>> David I.
>>
>> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
>> From: Tom Servinsky <tompiano@gate.net>
>> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Received: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:21:40 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Unison Flatter than each Individual string?
>>
>> >Susan,
>> >The pros and cons of single mute tuning:
>> >First the pros..
>> >a. Your unisons will improve dramatically vs tuning with a strip mute.  When
>> >you realize that you cannot go further on in the tuning until the unison is
>> >absolutely clean you pay more attention to those pesky details
>> >b. The octave stretch, believe it or not, is better calibrated when you are
>> >using the result of 3 tuned strings  of a unison vs 1 tune string.
>>
>> >Cons:
>> >a. At first, single mute tuning requires a great deal of energy and
>> >attention.
>> >Until this technique is mastered tuning time will be increased. However once
>> >you have become accustomed to this technique tuning time will resemble that
>> >of a strip mute tuning.
>>
>> >I must admit I enjoy single mute tuning if I have the right instrument and
>> >when I have ample time to enjoy the ride.  The result usually pays for
>> >itself.  However I also will admit I wouldn't dare nor care to do this with
>> >a majority of the instruments I see.
>> >I agree with Ted using the technique as a "refresher" course.  Personally I
>> >think it forces you to be a better tuner.
>> >Tom Servinsky, RPT
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Susan Kline" <sckline@attbi.com>
>> >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:39 AM
>> >Subject: Re: Unison Flatter than each Individual string?
>>
>> >> At 08:02 PM 8/19/2002 -0400, Tom wrote:
>> >> >As far as the single mute technique of tuning is concerned, it does yield
>> >> >better results. It also forces you to be much more critical with your
>> >> >unisons when they become focal points throughout the temperament.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is getting intriguing. Ted Sambell talked about taking one month
>> >> per year to tune without the strip, as a way remember how to keep
>> >> unisons really tight and stable, but I've never tried it in a
>> >> methodical way. I feel that the strip gives good service in pitch
>> >> raises, when multiple passes are involved. I only strip the middle
>> >> section, and as I rob felt from the end, the strip gets shorter and
>> >> shorter, till it's only about an octave and a half long. I thought
>> >> this was a bad thing, but maybe not.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the good posts, Tom and David.
>> >>
>> >> Susan
>> >>
>> >>