tuning speed

Don Rose drpt@sk.sympatico.ca
Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:48:54 -0600


Hi Stephen,

Check the archives this was just recently a topic.

At 01:00 PM 01/14/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Ok, so 2 passes is always better than one.
>
>Here's part of my question -- when a piano is, within,
>say, 2 or 3 cents, is one pass OK?  Or, what is the
>max it can be off before two passes is recommended?
>
>Also, what is the farthest flat for a piano to be
>before you all might recommend three passes (one up to
>pitch with no overpull, second with overpull, third
>fine tune)?  Also, is there ever any case where
>someone would recommend four or more passes?  (We'll
>assume that the pinblock and bridges are in fair
>condition (good enough to take a pitch raise).)
>
>--- David Love <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Reading all these posts on whether one pass or two
>> is more accurate I think
>> that the focus has been in the wrong area.  All
>> things being equal, two
>> passes will always be more accurate than one.  A
>> second pass at some level
>> should always be done to insure accuracy. The
>> question should really be
>> about what should be accomplished on each pass.  The
>> answer lies partially
>> in the psychology of perception.
>> 
>> One's ability to make fine discriminations will
>> always be related to the
>> range of the field.  The smaller the range, the
>> greater ones ability to make
>> fine discriminations.  In practice, that means that
>> if you are pulling the
>> piano into tune from all over the place, you will
>> not be able to
>> discriminate subtleties in the quality of the
>> unisons that you would be if
>> the piano were already basically in tune. 
>> Similarly, for example, if you
>> are adjusting repetition springs and the tensions
>> are somewhat chaotic, you
>> will not be able to perceive small differences as
>> easily on the first pass
>> as you will on the second.  Thus the argument for
>> going over a regulation
>> more than once as well.
>> 
>> As far as what you should try to accomplish on each
>> pass, then, on the first
>> pass you should try to get the piano in as good tune
>> as possible without
>> lingering too long.  My goal is that if I leave it
>> after the first pass, I
>> won't have much doubt as to its acceptibility.  You
>> should definitely
>> concentrate on making sure that each string is set
>> and stable.  For me that
>> means tuning with test blow force, checking with
>> soft blows, and not leaving
>> any string until I am confident that it is going to
>> stay there.  A quick
>> first pass that doesn't achieve at least that is, to
>> me, a waste of time.
>> On the second pass, one should only be listening to
>> the unisons and making
>> very small refinements.  The fewer changes you have
>> to make, the easier it
>> will be to make very fine discriminations.  You
>> certainly don't want to be
>> guessing as to whether any note will withstand a
>> hard blow.  If you are in
>> doubt, you better check each pin again.  One or two
>> unisons that don't hold
>> from normal playing is too many.
>> 
>> As far as speed goes, it doesn't really matter.  If
>> you find after much
>> practice that it takes you 4 hours to tune a piano
>> you might want to
>> consider whether your ability to earn enough money
>> might be compromised.  I
>> personally can't do a good solid tuning in much less
>> than an hour and it's
>> usually 1.00 - 1.25 hours for a piano that is
>> basically out of tune.  When I
>> was a strict aural tuner, it took a little bit
>> longer.  I do them faster
>> sometimes for a variety of reasons, but I like to
>> feel confident when I
>> leave the piano that there aren't any whiny unisons
>> and that the piano will
>> stand up to very hard playing.  I charge accordingly
>> and make no compromises
>> between my ability to earn a living and deliver
>> quality work.
>> 
>> David Love
>> 
>
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Regards,
Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T.

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