Tuning Pin Size

larudee@pacbell.net larudee@pacbell.net
Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:54:21 -0800


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David,

You are right on target.  Comments below.

Paul

David Skolnik wrote:

>  Paul -
> I think you are right.  There has and will be plenty to discuss.  I,
> at least, have already gotten the Feb issue, and also promise to read
> it, but some of my concerns date back to a number of months ago when,
> in response to a particular thread, you first started talking about
> your pin.  One of these concerns is that, as a way of avoiding block
> replacement, they are not viable if, as in many of the pianos I see,
> the original pins are already against the plate, whatever their size.

Yep, there's no way my pins will back the holes off away from the
plate.  The only good solution there is a new block.

> Second, while I understand (I think) the theory regarding torque and
> flex, I suspect that other factors, such as lack of quality control of
> pins, or of the fit between pin and block (whether new or repinned),
> not to mention too much or too little friction between pin and
> sounding length of string, have much effect upon tunability than the
> diameter around which the string coils.

These are all extremely important, and there is no way that my pins are
designed to compensate for inadequacies in any of these areas.  In fact,
one of the cautions I include with the pins is not to overtighten them,
which is a problem I find with some restrung pianos.  My pins do not
need to be as tight, because of the reduced torque.  Furthermore, the
difference between what I call uptorque and downtorque (pulling with or
against tension) is less with my pins than with other oversize pins.
Another point is that the design of my pins frees the diameter at the
coils to be essentially independent of the diameter in the rest of the
pin.  Of course there are limitations of strength, but otherwise very
narrow diameters like 6.75mm. are entirely feasible on a base that is as
big as you want.  That's the principle that I think would be of use to
Steinway.  Finally, Klinke, the manufacturer of my pins and regular
Diamond pins makes just about the most precise ones in the business.  I
needed that kind of precision for my pins in order to get them perfectly
coaxial and cylindrical.  Mic them all you want; they come out virtually
identical.

>  Remember two things about pin flex...1) It can be a very useful tool
> in fine tuning, and 2) it is affected by tightness in the block.   A
> tight pin with no flex can be as difficult to fine tune as a pin with
> too much flex, whatever its diameter.

Yes, flex can be useful, and some manufacturers rely on it more than
others in their design.  I like to minimize it as much as possible
because it compromises the pin's function as a stable anchor, and I
prefer to achieve tunability by other means, to the extent possible.

>
>
> Now to read your article and find out what you really said..
>
>
> David Skolnik
>
> At 11:37 PM 01/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
>> Chances are that at this point we get into "but what about...," in
>> which case I get to rewrite the whole article on line.  I would just
>> as soon wait for the February Journal.  There will probably still be
>> plenty to debate, but at least not the stuff I've already covered in
>> the article.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Paul
>

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