This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment As Usual, while I was busy writing my previous attempt at wittiness, = Bill was getting down to the real business of what we do. I too would = Highly recommend that if someone wants to learn to tune, he or she had = better have some idea of how to do it aurally. (That's with your ears) =20 The Yamaha tuners are designed for (as far as I can tell) low = inharmonicity pianos. (Inharmonicity, now there's a four dollar word.) = When inexperienced tuners use these on inappropriate, high inharmonicity = instruments, the tunings go to HELL!=20 But how would you know, if you don't have ear training. That's the = real point. For years, there has been the argument between those who = tune aurally, and those who use a machine. If you know how to tune a = pianer good, then you can use a quality machine that does more than the = Yamaha tuner, to achieve what you're trying to do almost effortlessly. = (Or at least, with less checking). The problem is that there is no quick = shortcut to getting there; it takes a lot of dedication and hard work. A = machine, if it's a high-level one like the Accu-tuner or Verituner, can = help you on your way, but you have to always stay awake and think ( and = listen for the errors that you will predictably find in certain regions = in the piano.) Once you know how to tune, then you can alter your = tunings for your Style of tuning.=20 The only reason ETD's have gotten a bad rep, is that too many = uninformed tuners have put way too much faith in them. And I'm sick and = tired of people dissing someone who could tune a piano as well as anyone = else for using an Etd IF, and that a big IF, they know what they're = doing.=20 Instead, I find way too many tuners who, instead of using the = machine the way it was meant to be used, just coming in and " Stopping = the lights", not having a clue as to how to do it, and not having a = sense of what a good tuning should sound. For them, it's a crutch, they = can't tune without it. These are usually the people who don't know how = to fix a sticking note also.=20 To them, I would say; "Being good means being involved and = interested in what you do for a living, and caring about it."=20 If this has been a bit of a tirade, Forgive me. I had my car broken = into at work today, and although they were shooed away before anything = was taken ( For which I am thankful, Lord) it still made me mad, and a = half hour later I got word that my Mother had been taken to the = hospital. Not a good day for me, so take my posting with a large grain = of salt. Don't feel sorry for me, though, I don't want any words of = sympathy; I just wish I could have shot the bastards that did it. And = believe me, I wouldn't hesitate. ( My Mom's fine, Thank God.) (For all = you Liberals, pass the ammunition, that's right, that's how it's = spelled.(Ammunition, that is)). Kevin E. Ramsey ramsey@extremezone.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Ballard=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Affleck Piano Tuning?(and Yamaha PT100/Verituner) At 8:22 PM -0400 7/12/02, James Gammon wrote: >Affleck Piano Tuning offers an "ebook" on "How to Tune Your Piano." >Is is worth the $19.97? I'm a beginner and interested in getting >information from as many (reliable) sources as I can on tuning pianos >aurally. > >On a completely unrelated note, does Yamaha still make the PT100? Is >this a good tuner? How much do they cost new/used? I can't seem to >find info on them *anywhere* online. (And while we're at it, are >there any used Verituners around?) You wouldn't be trying to get into this business on the cheap,=20 concerned that $20 might be the right price to spend on a=20 "how-to-book" and a tremendous loss if it turns out to be worthless? I don't know why you would be interested in tuning aurally, that is,=20 if you intend on earning a living from it. A sophisticated ETD would=20 allow you to skip the first two years figuring out with your ears and=20 your brain what a good tuning sounds like. It is a long two years,=20 BTW. Just out of North Bennet Street in Spring of '72, I could barely=20 make it through a 9am and 1pm two-piano. Two years later, four pianos=20 was a regular day for me, but my hearing was still far ahead of my=20 tuning. If you really want to become an aural tuner, I'm not sure what the=20 purpose of an ETD would be for you. Unless you need to earn money at=20 it before you actually learn how we did it back in the old days.=20 Anybody can buy an ETD. Not everyone has the ears for aural tuning. Second-hand Verituners around? The unit only hit the market 12 months=20 ago. The only way one of them might show up on the used market is=20 dissatisfied owner. If someone's dissatisfied within the first 30=20 days, under the satisfaction guaranteed policy, it'll end up back in=20 Vertituner's hands. They'll gladly put you on the waiting list for on=20 of those. But given the tiny market, and the sliver of that which=20 returns a one for a refund, it will be a wait. Bill Ballard RPT NH Chapter, P.T.G. "You'll make more money selling my advice than following it" ...........Steve Forbes, quoting his father, Malcom +++++++++++++++++++++ ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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