Loose Tuning Pins-Drink Spilled

[Roger Jolly]

Hi Terry,
                Plugs have the grain running in the same direction as the 
pin block,  Bushings are like a dowel with a hole drilled in it.  The grain 
is running parallel with the pin. Using CA on bushing on old pianos, there 
is usually enough gap between the rear of the tuning pin and the plate 
bushing to have the CA glue run down to the block.
Next time you tune a Yamaha or Kawai Note how tight those plugs are 
compared to North American style plate bushings.

Big difference between the two systems.

Regards Roger


At 08:33 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>How does the plate plug differ from the plate bushing? I don't quite 
>understand what you mean by "right angles to the pins".
>
>Terry Farrell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Roger Jolly" <roger.j@sasktel.net>
>To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:38 AM
>Subject: Re: Loose Tuning Pins-Drink Spilled
>
>
> > Hi Gordon,
> >                   I am late contributing to this thread.   If the piano is
> > a Yamaha or Kawai, I very much doubt that CA glue will work from the
> > top.   What looks like Plate bushings are in fact plate plugs.    ( the
> > grain of the plug runs at right angles to the pins)  I have replaced two
> > pin blocks on Japanese pianos that previous techs have applied copious
> > amounts of CA from the top, none of it ever wicked any where close to the
> > block.
> > Flipping the piano, and applying the CA from the bottom of the block is 
> the
> > way to go.
> > Make sure you have some 2 X 4's  and moving blankets to roll the piano
> > over, and on to.  Lifting the piano back up on to it's side is hard 
> work if
> > you don't. I also remove the hinges to prevent any damage.
> > 4 or 5 drops to each pin hole should be enough.
> > Regards Roger
> >
> >
> > At 09:06 AM 4/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Good Morning Gordon and other contributors.  I'll tune the piano
> > >Saturday AM and hope to be able to get back to the respondants on my
> > >inquiry shortly by mid week.  Do appreciate all your suggestions.
> > >Regards, Gordon
> > >
> > >On 23 Apr 2003 at 14:07, gordon stelter wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you want to do a more cosmetically nice job, flip
> > > > the piano over and apply the CA to the pins from
> > > > underneath. Then put it on top if that isn't enough.
> > > > Yesterday I did a Yamaha/Story and Clark for a church
> > > > like this. Today it tunes like a brand-new block!
> > > > Glorious.
> > > >      ( But I would pre-tune the piano prior to ca-ing,
> > > > as it will put little caps over the pin bottoms,
> > > > inhibiting further downward travel.
> > > >      But I filled these ones right up, and it had a
> > > > VERY nice feel on all the pins after drying (24 hours)
> > > > after first "letting down" the tension a bit, to break
> > > > the initial bond.
> > > >      Cheers!
> > > >      Thump
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe And Penny Goss <imatunr@srvinet.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Gordon,
> > > > > My vote is for thinest CA. On the strings you need
> > > > > to replace, remove the pin and swab with thick CA
> > > > > and restring.
> > > > > Joe Goss
> > > > > imatunr@srvinet.com
> > > > > www.mothergoosetools.com
> > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >   From: RptBob1@aol.com
> > > > >   To: pianotech@ptg.org
> > > > >   Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:23 PM
> > > > >   Subject: Re: Loose Tuning Pins-Drink Spilled
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   In a message dated 4/23/2003 4:16:11 PM Eastern
> > > > > Daylight Time, gholley@hi-techhousing.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     couldn't see or hear last night.
> > > > >       Could I please hear the YEA'S AND THE NAY'S on
> > > > > an initial step to
> > > > >     take.  Please refer to Gordon Stelter as "Thump"
> > > > > as we have been
> > > > >     mistakingly switched around in past discussions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >       My Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >       Gordon Holley
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   Hi Gordon:
> > > > >   Do the step with covering the area under the pins
> > > > > after removing the action.  Use thin CA; use a fan
> > > > > blowing across your work and I don't think you would
> > > > > need a carbon mask.  I never have and I've done
> > > > > quite of few of these "pinblock resurrections". Try
> > > > > to have doors and windows open in the area you are
> > > > > working and warn the customer about the odor.  You
> > > > > may have to schedule this at a time when there are
> > > > > not many people around.
> > > > >
> > > > >   It works well!
> > > > >
> > > > >   Bob Bergantino, RPT
> > > > >   Willoughby Hills, Ohio
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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