----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Brekne" <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Inertia and Physics.. Paul Chick > Instead, let me ask a concrete question. If it takes one newton to > accelerate an object with a mass of one kilogram at one meter per > second, and that object bangs into another object... will the first > object impart a force of exactly one newton upon the second ? No. The one newton is a constant force on the first object and it will accelerate it faster and faster as long as the force remains constant. So the speed at impact would depend on how long the object had been accelerating. After 6 seconds, it's going 6 m/s; after 75 seconds, it's going 75 m/s, etc. The first object would have kinetic energy depending on its velocity at impact (KE = 1/2 mv^2). How much of that energy is imparted to the other object depends on the mass of the second object, the hardness and nature of the materials, the shape, whether or not they contact obliquely or head-on etc. If they are both made out of steel you will obviously have a different situation than if they are both made out of putty. Here is where "momentum" is used. Total momentum (m * v, in magnitude and direction, of both objects added together) is conserved in a collision. And it's conserved whether the items stick together or not and is independent of the nature of impact. Total energy is also conserved, but some kinetic energy may be lost as heat or vibration energy after impact. For a typical collision you need to know more than just the velocity and mass of the two objects before impact. If you know how fast and in what direction one of them is going *after* the collision, for example, you can determine how fast and in what direction the other one will go. There are some special cases like with a perfectly "elastic" collision (the objects are hard and don't dissipate energy) then energy and momentum are both conserved. If it is a head-on collision their respective velocities after impact can be calculated using both conservation of momentum and conservation of energy together. If they don't hit head-on, though, you're screwed and need more information like before. If it is a perfectly "inelastic" collision (the objects stick together at impact) the resulting velocity of the stuck-together pair can be determined using conservation of momentum alone, since we know that the velocity of both objects will be the same magnitude and direction. Kinetic energy will *not* be conserved in such a collision, in fact generally a lot of it will be lost. These special cases are not necessarily just in a fantasy world either. They can often closely approximate a real situation. The inelastic collision, for example, can be quite accurate if little or no friction is involved. Mechanisms in a machine that latch together on contact are a perfect example. Now what is the force of impact? Well, think of it as if there is a spring on the end of one object. When the two collide the spring compresses. One object starts slowing down and the other speeds up (assuming it was at rest). And as the spring compresses the force between the objects increases. At some point the compression of the spring will come to a stop and it will start expanding again. The force gets smaller as the spring elongates and finally is zero when the objects separate. So you see there is no real constant "force" of impact; it is a changing curve. Now we have all sorts of new goodies to argue about! Don A. Gilmore Mechanical Engineer Kansas City > > Cheers, and thanks for your patience in all this. > > RicB
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