This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Follow-up to my last post. I just re-read yours and noticed you said it = was a NEW STEINWAY. Wow. I'd make sure they are well seated on the bridge and lifted against = the agraffs and that bridge pins are tight and (gasp!) properly notched. = I'd try another turn or half turn on the strings.=20 And if that all failed, here's the $50 question: Do piano makers and = dealers have an obligation to deliver beatless strings on all 88 notes, = or are we supposed to "accept" some noise.=20 As this is a Steinway and we are talking about nice, long, new bass = strings I would be VERY unhappy as a customer if I were told I had to = just "accept" yowling strings! Alan Salem ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tune4u@earthlink.net=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Yow-yow-yowing bass strings Ah, you were so close to naming it. It's called longitudinal = inharmonicity, When strings vibrate, they don't just go up and down, as = sketches of string motion are drawn. They move in all directions, very = complex. Simply put, the strings in question are some combination of = damaged, poorly made, dirty, corroded, stretched out, or just old. The = motion in one or more directions is hampered in some way so the string = harmonics are "fighting" each other, i.e., not matching up, going out of = phase. The possibilities can think of for the B=F6sendorfer strings sounding = cleaner would be: Are they newer? Are they premium quality strings? Have = they been treated better, over time--kept in tune, etc? And do the = string termination and bridge designs of the B=F6sendorfer make a = difference (no experience on this one--precious few B=F6sendorfers here = in the Ozarks) If every customer were bothered by single string wah-wahs and were = willing to pay to replace them, we'd all be very, very wealthy people!, = methinks! Alan Barnard Salem, MO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BobDavis88@aol.com=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: Yow-yow-yowing bass strings Friends, Hep! Hep! (Okay, I grew up in Texas) I need an accurate scientific explanation for why SOME single bass = strings go yow-yow-yow, when played by themselves. A new customer I am about to go see, with a new Steinway B, said he = wanted me to maybe replace some bass strings that were "wobbling." I = thought, okay, unisons or voicing, but then he said they were singles. I = realized I had accepted that sound for decades, and just tuned around = it, considering it a shortcoming of shorter scales. Later that day, I = listened to 5 B's, 4 L's, and a D, as well as a 7'4" Boesendorfer. All the Steinways had yowing singles, but not necessarily on the = same notes. Some notes would be clear. The D was the best of the = Steinways, reasonably clear, and the B=F6sendorfer was extremely clean. The Steinways are single-wrapped and the B=F6s is double-wrapped, = but I also listened to some 126 cm Bostons, which are double-wrapped, = and they had random wows too. I've always chalked it up to "inharmonicity" or longitudinal waves = or something like that, but I realized that doesn't really work, and now = it's driving me crazy not to be able accurately to explain this. What is = happening, and why is the B=F6sendorfer so clean? Wobbling in Stockton CA, Bob Davis ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/d2/de/9c/0a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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