Tony Caught wrote: > " Richard I quite agree that the tenor & treble in 99% of the pianos comes > out great, it is the bass I am referring to. > Tell me, how many tuners go back and tweak the bass afterwards. I know, its > close enough and the customer is deaf anyway. That very point is one I make a lot, and it doesnt seem to sit well with some of our more enthusiastic ETD supporters. I wonder however if the reason for that is as much a matter of mis- communication then anything else. Terry had some points a while back along these lines... something to do with the one pass / two pass thread. I think it ended up being resolved when we agreed on the point that a really good first pass useing the two pass method for tuning sort of equates loosly to an ETD tuning. For really good first pass tuners that will fly no problem... tho no doubt you can tweak it better... especially in the bass. > 25 years ago I listen to a lot of piano teachers who where buying pianos and > the general comment was " I want a piano with a rich mellow tone, not one > of these Japanese pianos their too sharp and bright. " > Today the new batch of piano teachers say " I want a piano like the Japanese > one I learnt on, some of the others are too dull. " Grin.. time marches on. And no doubt the Japanese intstruments have improved quite a bit over the years. > > Are we going to wind up in 20 years time saying " I prefer a bass that > grates" because I lot of users don't know better. Bob Hohf made some simliar points in this months Journal, and I made that point a few years back on the list. Gets a bit philological for many however real the problem is. I aggree tho... ETD's are having a significant impact on our perceptions of what a tuning is... and for that matter what a good scaled piano is... or even .... what sounds good.. for not to say what sounds right. Alarming... as such an impact is a "for better AND for worse" deal. > > Point is Richard, that the new lot of tuners, and some of the oldies > (including me)are using these machines and either don't know what to listen > to, or use them because they have lost their hearing. Sure, a three week > course on how to tweak them would help but they are not "Tuners" they are > Tuners aids. A common problem, and another is that of good aural tuners getting aurally lazy. Tho ETD enthusiasts dont like to admit these points. Myself... I take a more middle of the road standpoint. I have no problem seeing ETD's for the fantastic aids that they are... at the same time as I have no problem admiting their pitfalls... for all their significance. No good to be a blind believer either way me thinks. > > Hopefully the people that write the programs for these ETD's are listening > and are hard at work rewriting some of the software to overcome the known > existing shortfalls. It would appear that this is going to be the tuning > method of the future so lets get it right now before it gets to late. They are... but in the end it will always boil down to the ear, the mind, and human perception. Listening is a human experience. A machine just registers frequencies and makes no further comment. Still... they are really good at what they do. !! And I encourage their use 100 % > > Tony Caught > Adelaide Australia > caute@bigpond.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. UiB, Bergen, Norway mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html
This PTG archive page provided courtesy of Moy Piano Service, LLC