Unusual rib structure?

Ron Nossaman RNossaman@cox.net
Thu, 08 May 2003 11:22:30 -0500


>Good question Ron. My guess is it's a compromise. If it was a structural
>thing, wouldn't the stiffness of the rim and the ribs would make the board
>too stiff ( too much impedance?) around the perimeter reducing the effective
>area of the board?

Hi Keith,
I wasn't suggesting not feathering ribs at all, for the reasons you 
mentioned. But why feather a load carrying beam in a way that kills so much 
of it's load carrying capacity and puts such tremendous strain on the 
feathered sections? Maybe it made sense with compression crowned boards, 
because the panel is the structural member in that system, rather than the 
ribs. In a rib crowned system, if it really is a rib crowned system, the 
ribs are most definitely load bearing structural members and should at 
least try to act accordingly. Make a typical rib out of scrap pine or 
something, and feather it in a more or less "conventional" manner. Then 
prop up the ends and load the center to bend it. Does it make a nice even 
curve? No, it doesn't. What parts are bent the most, and are therefore 
under the most strain? Right, the feathering.And not even at the ends, but 
somewhere between the end of the rib, and the beginning of the feathering. 
About the spot where the feathering takes the rib to minimum thickness, 
continuing to the end. That's the point taking most of the fiber abuse. Why 
not feather the rib in a way that the fiber strain (judged by curvature 
under load) is more evenly distributed along the rib? The rib can still be 
as flexible as you want it, but the entire rib will be working for you 
(like a longbow) instead of just the terribly abused ends.

As many concave crowned soundboards as I find with no measurable string 
bearing in the killer octaves of pianos with "rib crowned" boards, I 
suspect that these are indeed compression supported boards with crowned 
ribs. Doing load analyses on these ribs, with string scale and bearing 
schedules taken from the piano (allowing for what was probably in the 
killer octave before it went flat), and considering the feathering of these 
ribs, I see no way those ribs are holding up even half of the string load 
placed on the soundboard assembly. They may be rib crowned, but they're not 
rib supported.  And as long as the ribs are feathered that way, they won't 
be.

Ron N


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