captured action

[Isaac OLEG]

Terry,

if there are screws from the plate towards the stretcher, in my
experience that always mean the stretcher is not glued, and it can be
pulled up, or front sometime but it is indeed guided in mortises left
and right. Other elements of the case may be in the way and to be
dismounted before it accept to move.

I've seen that mostly on smaller grands (to the point the action can't
be pulled out without removing the stretcher).

That should explain why you find it moving easily also.

After scratching head once or twice, one dismount the guides of the
desk and obtain clearance for the stretcher generally !

FWIW

Best Regards.

Isaac OLEG

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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
> part de Farrell
> Envoyé : mercredi 28 mai 2003 13:09
> À : Pianotech
> Objet : Re: captured action
>
>
> I rewhatevered a little Estey a couple years ago (this is
> an Estey? Correct?). But it had an easily removable action.
> You are right that the stretcher is not at all attached to
> the pinblock - but I had always assumed these stretchers on
> most any piano are mortised somehow into the rim - likely
> not something you want to remove unless absolutely
> necessary. In fact, I just remembered, the stretcher on
> mine was loose - you could rotate it just a hair - almost
> like it was held into the side with a dowel - likely just a
> sloppy mortise job - but even though it was loose, it was
> not about to just fall out - if you want to remove it, I'm
> pretty sure it will only happen with a saw in your hand (or
> a hatchet?).
>
> P.S. - be careful with those VIOLIN BRIDGES!!!
>
> Terry Farrell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Spalding" <spalding48@earthlink.net>
> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: captured action
>
>
> >
> > Ron, answers to your questions inserted below.  Thanks
> for your interest.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Ron Nossaman <RNossaman@cox.net>
> > > To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>; <spalding48@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: 5/27/2003 9:37:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: captured action
> > >
> > >
> > > >I need help figuring out how to get the action out of
> an Estey baby
> > grand.
> > > >As it sits, the bass hammers are 1/4 to 1/2 inch
> higher than the bottom
> > of
> > > >the stretcher.  Blow distance is 2", the shanks are
> settled firmly on the
> > > >rest rail felt.
> > >
> > > Terrific, another "locked door murder" puzzle. I assume
> the perpetrator
> > > wasn't a criminal genius, so the action was gotten in
> there somehow, then
> > > something fairly simple (I hope) was changed. Does the
> stretcher look
> > > "painted in" where it contacts the rim, or is there an
> obvious gap
> > between
> > > the two?
> >
> > Looks "painted" (lacquered, actually) in, but also looks
> like it's been
> > messed up a little over the years.  No gap.  This is the
> mystery attachment
> > point.
> >
> >  Is there no contact at all between stretcher and
> pinblock, as in -
> > > can you insert something between the two so it can be
> seen underneath and
> > > slide it from rim to rim without hitting anything?
> >
> > No contact between the stretcher and pinblock.   1cm or more gap.
> >
> >
> > > Is there enough compression slack to the shank rest
> felts to insert a
> > piece
> > > of poster board between the spreader and hammers and
> shoehorn the action
> > > out with it? Does raising the glide bolts get you any clearance?
> >
> > No compression slack in the rest felt.  I should have
> said "shanks are
> > settled firmly into the rest rail felt"
> >
> > > With a two inch blow distance, and no clearance at the
> stretcher,
> > something
> > > is really strange. What's the key dip, by the way?
> >
> > Key dip is around 3/8, not enough to achieve let-off on
> most notes.  This
> > piano was recently inherited and moved from Gramma's on
> the coast hasn't
> > been played since no-one remembers when, now they're
> wondering what it
> > would take to make it playable.   (So am I )
> >
> > >
> > > Ron N
> >
> >
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