soundboard stresses

Ron Nossaman RNossaman@cox.net
Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:46:14 -0500


>Ron,
>
>This looks familiar. Isn't this the same as the formula I sent you a few 
>years back.

John,
No, this is mine. Yours produced compression levels at half what this one 
did, as I pointed out when we were comparing methods.


>I have lost the file this was on but if I remember I was trying to figure 
>panel compression using simple moments of force. I wasn't feeling 
>confident that this approach would work so I have since abandoned it. If 
>you can get this to work and can explain it to others the more power to you.

It's worth a try. Nothing else seems to have shed any light. Panel 
compression crowning is more like a distributed load than a point load 
anyway, and that's why I asked for some help from some of the engineering 
training that reads this list. I have had a distributed load formula for 
some time, which produces compression figures slightly lower than this 
formula, but I'm looking for clarification from better trained heads than 
mine. As to whether it does any good or not, what will come of it will 
come, or not - as usual.


>To be fair you should use a pine rib, this is what Steinway uses on there 
>panel crowned boards. You also need to scallop the ends of the ribs and 
>cove the bottom. All of this will effect panel compression.

Yes it will, and I'll attempt to try to take that into account one way or 
another. I suppose I should also thin the panel, as Steinway does, which 
would further increase compression levels, in the interest of better 
accuracy. Realistically, there's obviously no way to exactly quantify panel 
compression levels. This is intended as a demonstration of fundamental 
principles and approximate stress levels. Actual levels will depend on 
individual pieces of wood, actual bearing measurements, and MC of the 
assembly before assembly, and at the time of computation.


>I think a direct approach will be more conclusive. Make two cross grain 
>strips of soundboard panel the same length at the same EMC. dry them both 
>down to 4.5%. Glue a rib on to one of them using a flat surface. Let both 
>samples reach EMC with the environment, say 40% RH. Check the level of 
>crown and compare the length of the strip with the rib to the other strip. 
>The difference in length will give you the compression.

No, it won't. It will give you the difference in length, but that doesn't 
equate to the compression PSI. Panel compression isn't linear, as that same 
experiment will show you. Load the crowned assembly and measure deflection 
with a dial gage. It takes increasingly more load per unit of deflection as 
the crown is pushed down. It's a variable rate spring, as you have noted 
yourself. All told, I expect it will take over eight times the load to 
force that crowned panel flat as it would have to bend that rib (or one 
just like it, without the panel) to the crown that was formed by the 
expanding panel. Try it and see what you get. Also, the panel is already 
compressed by around 1% of it's original width just by shrinking it down, 
gluing it to the rib, and re-hydrating it, so it's already at or very near 
it's fiber stress proportional limit when the crown is formed. I suspect 
that's a lot of why the compression rate beyond that isn't linear, because 
it's already at it's elastic limit. What's the difference in length between 
the ribbed strip, and the un-ribbed strip, assuming you dried them down to 
realistic CC assembly requirements? Is that difference over 1% the length 
of the unconstrained strip? Again, try it and see.

Ron N


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