Hi Isaac. The 205 piano he showed in Oslo had a few significant design changes since the old grandpappy days. First it went from 210 to 205. They aslo altered the angle of the bass bridge and hence the bass scale and if I remember correctly narrowed the butt of the case a bit. The 168 was at least changed in that the bass bridge was de-cantelevered, yet its position over the sound board was the same. That gave much longer back lengths and shorter singing lengths, which seemed to work really well. There were some pictures of the concert grand plate, both the new and the old, and there were some few alterations made there. Maybe Kjell or Østen can remember more about that if they are still following along. RicB Isaac sur Noos wrote: > And about some Steingraeber grand, > > I herard that the scaling/plate design was admitely (by Steingraeber > himself) > find in archives, and the grandfather (or even before) of Udo > Shiedmayer originate the model. > > Does not mean it is a bad thing, just that the model and scaling was > recognized from an older model, that was discontinued or very few > produced. > > That is all I've heard, the piano itself I did not. > > but I like the brand as a fine one, their verticals are first class. > > Best > > Isaac OLEG > > Entretien et réparation de pianos. > > PianoTech > 17 rue de Choisy > 94400 VITRY sur SEINE > FRANCE > tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98 > fax : 033 01 47 18 06 90 > cell: 06 60 42 58 77 > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org > > [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la > > part de Michael Gamble > > Envoyé : samedi 25 octobre 2003 08:50 > > À : pianotech@ptg.org > > Objet : Fw: Wurzen felt > > > > > > Andre, my friend, you're a fount of knowledge and I thank > > you for this > > information which I shall study. Currently my six year old > > is packing his > > suitcase... we're going on holiday for a week so I shall > > not be on this site > > again until November 3rd. :-). > > Regards > > Michael G (somewhere in the UK) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Corina Gamble" <corina@gambles.fsnet.co.uk> > > To: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk> > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:32 AM > > Subject: Fw: Wurzen felt > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <antares@euronet.nl> > > > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:16 PM > > > Subject: Wurzen felt > > > > > > > > > > > > On vrijdag, okt 24, 2003, at 11:30 Europe/Amsterdam, > > Michael Gamble > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Andre - Could you dig out some info on the piano make > > "Steingraeber" I > > > > have > > > > never heard of it in the UK and my puny knowledge needs > > up-grading. > > > > They > > > > seem to be another "Fazioli", Right? Please post specs > > and data if you > > > > can. > > > > Regards > > > > Michael G (UK) > > > > > > > > > OK, > > > Steingraeber is not a Fazioli. > > > They have been in the field much longer and so they got a > > 'background'. > > > It is the same with buildings, old and new : A bunch of > > new buildings > > > have no personality, yet, an older bunch of buildings we > > call a town. > > > An old town has, usually, personality, or not. > > > Compare Steingraeber with Oxford, and you know exactly > > what I mean. > > > Steingraeber is not Ferrari, Mercedes or BMW (yet). Compare > > > Steingraeber with Rover, Lancia, and Jaguar, and you probably > > > understand what I am saying. > > > > > > For more specific info, go to : > > > > > > http://www.steingraeber.de/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk> > > > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:17 AM > > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Steingraeber by candle light....../felt > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Andre for your enlightenment. For some odd > > reason I know the > > > > name > > > > "Wieckert" although the early 1900s was a bit before my time.:-) > > > > > > From your posts to Pianotech I assume that your age is somewhere > > > between 28 and 32 (?) > > > > > > > What about > > > > "Royal George" then :-) > > > > > > Royal george we found for some time on Yamaha's. > > > > > > > What felts do Fazioli > > > > > > Fazioli has made use of Abel, so far. > > > > > > > > > > and Steinway use I wonder? > > > > > > Steinway has always used the very best felt available and > > today they, > > > of course, use Wurzen. > > > You see Michael, this is actually very interesting for all of us : > > > In the old days, almost everybody used Weickert/Wurzen. > > > Then the Commies decided to enlarge their territory and > > the East of > > > Germany fell into their greedy red hands. > > > That marks the end of the Wurzen era and the beginning of > > decades of > > > lousy hammer felt. > > > The older European technicians may clearly remember the > > difference : > > > the going down in quality of the former majestic > > instrument builders > > > and the rise of those awful East European and Russian > > crappola pianos > > > like Zimmerman, Tschaika, Czerny, the rape of a name like > > Rhönisch and > > > Perzina, the appearance of cheap Petrofs, Röslers and > > Försters with > > > really really awful hammers (felt). > > > > > > And then........ > > > After the fall of the Berlin wall and the reunification of the two > > > Germany's, the coming back of Wurzen felt, because the > > former owners > > > were able to retrieve their former possessions. > > > > > > I was probably among the first technicians here to become > > aware of the > > > new felt on the market (by sheer coincidence) and > > recognize the instant > > > improvement in quality. > > > No wonder I wrote so many e-mails about it, and after all > > it does not > > > surprise me that still only a limited amount of people > > know about the > > > finest of the finest. > > > I consider myself as a typical example of an ordinary > > technician with a > > > reasonable amount of talent and with actually a lower grade piano > > > education. I have spent many years of my 'profession' > > milling around > > > like a Don Quichotte without really having any practical > > knowledge. It > > > happens to most of us because our awareness and > > consciousness of real > > > quality and substantial improvements usually comes with age and > > > experience, or because we were blessed and privileged > > with good Karma > > > and kind benefactors. > > > Knowledge is the key to understanding and then the process of > > > understanding is not like an instant coffee... > > > If I had known that etc etc....... > > > > > > > It > > > > doesn't matter what the subject is, there's always a > > gap in one's > > > > knowledge:-! > > > > > > Thanks! You got it! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Michael G (UK) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <antares@euronet.nl> > > > > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:53 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Steingraeber by candle light...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On donderdag, okt 23, 2003, at 20:44 Europe/Amsterdam, > > Michael Gamble > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Please Ande Oorebeek, What is WURZEN? It sounds like > > some Harry Potter > > > >> solution. ;-) > > > >> Regards > > > >> Michael G (UK) > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: <antares@euronet.nl> > > > >> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:27 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: Steingraeber by candle light...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Wurzen, Michael, is the name of a place in the East of germany. > > > > It is the place where the finest hammer felt in the > > world is made > > > > today. > > > > Wurzen felt is called after the name of the place. > > > > > > > > It used to be called Weickert felt around the 1900 's > > and all the great > > > > piano makers used it then. > > > > today, STW uses it, along with Bösendorfer, Bechstein, > > Yamaha handmade, > > > > Steingraeber, and many others. > > > > > > > > It is just a matter of taste and the musical ability to > > distinguish the > > > > difference in quality between felt and felt. > > > > > > > > In the past I have written many words about this. > > > > The archives will tell you more. > > > > > > > > André Oorebeek > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pianotech list info: > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pianotech list info: > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pianotech list info: > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. 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