---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment >Please tell us all how a panel with a convex upper >surface can not spread out at the bottom when pressure >is applied from above, Ron. > Doesn't make any sense to me at all. > Thump Thump, and everyone else who cheerfully embraced the latest declaration that soundboard crown is a buttressed arch, Phil Ford and I discussed this in detail on list not too long ago. Describing it again most likely won't have better effect than it did the last time, so that leaves trying it for yourself. Make a three ribs about 18" (460mm) long, one flat and two with a crown machined in. Make them about 20mm (3/4") square and feather them like you would for a real piano. Cut some panel material about 5" (120mm) wide (parallel to the grain), and somewhat longer than the ribs. Dry one down to 4%-4.5% humidity and glue it to the flat rib. This is the compression crowned example. Dry the other to about 6% and glue it to the crowned rib for the rib crowned example. After the panels are trimmed square to the rib ends and have reached moisture equilibrium with the shop, you should have nice crowns in both models. Set up a stiff plank for a base, with blocks of wood (sides cut and squared) clamped to it so one of the models will slip between the blocks with zero clearance at the ends. Set a spacer under each end of the rib so that the bottom of the rib is clear of the plank by at least the amount of crown in the model. Now place a straight block of wood nearly the length of the rib on top of the panel, and start applying down pressure on it with another clamp, depressing the crown of the model. The block of wood on top is so you won't press the crown below flat. Watch the ends of the panel as the crown is depressed. They WILL pull away from the end blocks. Now do it with the other model. Same thing. Now do it with just the crowned rib. Same thing. This is exactly backward of the way an arch would work. Soundboard crown is NOT, nor has it ever been an arch because the end supports are not below the centroid line of the assembly. They are significantly above it, as in a cable suspension, and no, I'm not saying the cable suspension retains crown if you keep the rim edges from converging. Crown is still formed and maintained by the rib and panel. The rim has nearly nothing to do with either formation, or retention of crown. Ron N ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment--
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