Breaking Bass Strings on Samick - is overlapping

[Isaac OLEG]

Overlapped coils mean that someone have tapped the pins or/and also
that the piano have been restringed with too much coils.

I don't tune much "spinets" as we don't have often those kind of piana
here, (while we have enough bad instrumnets to be pleased) I just
don't recall having seen overlapping coil often, indeed tapping the
pins is not a real repair and have some disavantages, like this angle
question.

Best Regards.

I.O

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
> part de Dave Nereson
> Envoyé : samedi 28 février 2004 03:42
> À : Pianotech
> Objet : Re: Breaking Bass Strings on Samick
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "Roger Jolly" <roger.j@sasktel.net>; <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:11 AM
> Subject: Breaking Bass Strings on Samick
>
>  . . . . . .
> Then I noticed that the V-bar is quite tall and the bottom
> row of tuning
> pins are at right angles to the plate - meaning that the
> string, between the
> V-bar and the tuning pin, approaches the tuning pin at
> quite an acute angle
> (guess - 70 or 80 degrees? - it's really quite an angle)
> rather than at a
> right angle. So much so that on adjacent pins, I can see
> that the string is
> starting to wind over the coil.
>
>     I see that on many many consoles and virtually every
> spinet I tune.
> Lots of them have such severely overlapped coils, I'm
> afraid to tune, never
> mind raise pitch.  But I'll go for it anyhow, and most of
> them make it
> through the pitch raise and the tuning.  But some don't and
> they break
> strings.  Why?  I don't know.
>     If a string does break that had overlapped coils, I'll
> back the pin out
> so the string doesn't take such a sharp angle coming off
> the pin (leaves the
> coil farther off the plate, as you were considering).
>     But some break anyway because the angle they take going
> around the upper
> plate bridge pin (or whatever it's called) is quite sharp.
> Or, as you say,
> maybe the scaling has them too close to breaking point.
> Can't do much about
> the latter cases.
>     But don't install a string with a thicker core -- it's
> designed to be at
> a lower pitch.  Try installing one with a thinner core,
> which is designed to
> be at a higher pitch.
>     Your other thought of plugging the hole and re-drilling
> at a different
> angle would also work, seems to me.  Sorta drastic to have to do,but
> whatever works or is necessary, right?
>     I'm not Roger, but if it's 18 years old, there's
> probably no warranty
> coverage.
>     Does it have real hard hammers in that area?   --David
> Nereson, RPT
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