Yeh, there has been a lot of that lately <O:(( <g> Joe Goss RPT Mother Goose Tools imatunr@srvinet.com www.mothergoosetools.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kinnear" <jim@pianoguy.com> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Moistureproofing shop - now stage box > Perhaps its something to do with 'hot air rising' and taking the resident > moisture with it . . . kind of like when we put our wet mittens over a > heater . . . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Kinnear > www.kinnearpiano.com > Collingwood, ON, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com> > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: Moistureproofing shop - now stage box > > > > Nice explanation, Sarah, but I think a dehumidifier > > dripping to the outside in a sealed box is the best > > way to go. Speaking of which: how do Dampp Chaser bars > > dry out piano parts, as increased heat in a closed box > > such as piano case only allows more moisture to reside > > in the air? > > Thump > > > > > > G > > > > > > > > --- Sarah Fox <sarah@graphic-fusion.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > Dehumidifier bars *alone* won't do it, as the RH > > > will rise in the booth as > > > moisture comes out of the wood. There has to be > > > some way of transferring > > > the moisture from the inside to the outside. This > > > can be achieved with some > > > degree of ventillation in combination with the > > > dehumidifier rods. (In other > > > words, don't have the chamber too air tight.) > > > Fresh, cool air will enter > > > the chamber at some higher RH, and then it will be > > > heated, driving down the > > > RH. The air will then absorb moisture, and the RH > > > will rise. But > > > eventually, the warmer, moist air is vented to the > > > outside (the way the > > > moisture is transferred), and it is replaced by > > > cooler moist air, which can > > > be heated to lower the RH. Put another way, cool > > > air of a given RH has less > > > total moisture than warm air of the same RH. Makes > > > sense??? If you use the > > > heat approach, you'll find some very cheap and > > > effective ceramic heaters at > > > the hardware store (perhaps $15 for 1000W of heat). > > > There's no need to blow > > > lots of money on dehumidifier rods, and the > > > efficiency is exactly the same. > > > > > > A noisier but more effective way to dehumidify is > > > with a running > > > compressor-type dehumidifier, which will condense > > > the moisture out of the > > > air and drain it to the outside. I think you can > > > get one of these things > > > for around $150. I don't know which of these two > > > methods would be more > > > energy efficient. > > > > > > A third way to dehumidify would be with a dessicant > > > in an *air-tight* > > > chamber. (This might be useful for pinblock > > > material, but it gets somewhat > > > impractical on a large scale.) There's a > > > product/company called Drierite, > > > out of Xenia, OH. You can find it on the web. You > > > can buy the stuff fairly > > > economically in 50 lb bags. Drierite draws moisture > > > out of the air and > > > incorporates it into its crystal composition. > > > Depending on the variety you > > > buy, the stuff can have an indicator that changes > > > color when it has soaked > > > up as much moisture as it is able. It looks a bit > > > like blue kitty litter > > > and turns pink with moisture absorption. If I > > > remember correctly, it can > > > absorb about 5 or 10% of its weight in water. When > > > the stuff is > > > "exhausted," you can heat it in an oven to drive off > > > the water, so that you > > > can re-use it. > > > > > > Peace, > > > Sarah > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pianotech list info: > > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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