A-440 and Ethics.

[Avery Todd]

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At 04:13 PM 11/11/04, you wrote:
>"often bringing it 40-50% overpull. I used to bring it up to 100% overpull"
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>40-50% of what?

A-440?

Avery

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>Terry Farrell
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>From: <mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com>Dean May
>To: <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org>Pianotech
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:22 PM
>Subject: RE: A-440 and Ethics.
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>I've done hundreds in the last 25 years, never cracked a plate, often 
>bringing it 40-50% overpull. I used to bring it up to 100% overpull before 
>RCT. I never bring up center strings first, then left strings, then right 
>strings. I always start at one end and tune all strings as I go up.
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>I've often heard about the "danger" of crack plates by unbalanced tension. 
>I dunno, maybe it can happen. But I've never encountered it in pitch 
>raises or in chip tunings on restringing jobs.
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>Dean
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>Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On 
>Behalf Of David Ilvedson
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:08 PM
>To: pianotech@ptg.org
>Subject: Re: A-440 and Ethics.
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>Julia,
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>Why don't we ask the List if anyone has had a plate crack during a pitch 
>raise.   I've been working on pianos for 30 years and it has never 
>happened to me.
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>David I.
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>From: <<mailto:Alpha88x@aol.com>Alpha88x@aol.com>
>To: <<mailto:pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org>
>Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:18:18 EST
>Subject: Re: A-440 and Ethics.
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>Greetings,
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>             Usually, when I get a tuning call, it is a piano which hasn't 
> been kept up the tunings on. I always ask how long since it was last 
> tuned. They usually don't know.. especially if they have taken in an 
> "orphan" piano.
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>              I do not like to raise the A4 pitch on any piano more than 
> say 1/4 a tone or so, if it's been neglectd tunings. This is because I 
> don't want to run the risk of cracking anyone's harp plate, let alone 
> breaking strings. Especially on the little spinets, whose plates are 5/8" 
> or less thick.
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>               When I get to the house, I check the A-440 and it's octaves 
> and get an idea of the overall tone of the piano; whrere it went flat the 
> most. I always explain the concept of A-440 to the customer, and more 
> times than not, it doesnt matter to them if its up to A-440 or not.
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>            They just would like it in tune with itself. I also explain 
> that pianos are designed to be tuned to A-440 for best results. (unless 
> it is an extremely old, dry upright that's seen better days and wont let 
> you even gradually take it up that far, even with subsequent 
> tunings/loose pins or bridges coming off) I tune it the best I can get 
> it, to sound at the A-4?? and suggest subsequent tunings so we can 
> gradually get it there. They agree to a reminder card from me for follow 
> ups ....say, 4 to 6 mo for the first follow-up. I also inform them that 
> with each tuning the piano becomes more stable and to never let a piano 
> go more than 2 years max.
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>           On hearing these pianos, they are so, so neglected and out of 
> tune, the piano always sounds better upon my departure, and thats all 
> alot of folks want in order to start the kid's lessons, without paying 
> "an arm and a leg".  With customers who are more vigilant of how their 
> piano sounds is another matter.
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>           My tuning teacher used to say "As long as it sounds a lot 
> better when you leave than from when you arrived".
>
>Julia,
>Reading, PA

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