"should I stay or should I go?"

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:07:52 -0800


You don't really think those pianos were actually tuned do you...

David I.



----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: baoli liu <baoli_liu@yahoo.com>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:12:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"

>Years back,I had visited a few asian piano
>factories,because of the mass production(more than a
>hundred pianos every day),a goup of tuners have to
>tune pianos side by side with loud nosiy
>background.all of the tuners,including some young
>tuners tune pianos this way every day.

>It is always easy to tune pianos in a nice and quite
>place.But being a technician,especially a concert
>technician,I think it is a "must" skill/ability to
>tune pianos with noisy background.
>Baoli Liu


>>   You do the best you can in the situation.   I'm in
>> total agreement.   Another reason why I love my ETD.
>>   I know, if I have to, I can tune every string to
>> the ETD and the piano will sound pretty good.
>> 
>>   David I.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   ----- Original message
>> ---------------------------------------->
>>   From: antares <antares@euronet.nl>
>>   To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
>>   Received: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:18:19 +0100
>>   Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"
>> 
>> 
>>   On the other hand Dave Skolnik,
>> 
>>   Most of the time we have no choice but to grin and
>> ignore.
>>   I used to get incredibly furious, swear at people,
>> stamp my feet or even walk away from the scene in
>> terrible anger.
>>   And you know what?
>>   The years went by, and I am still tuning in the
>> same conditions.
>>   And you know what?
>>   I don't care anymore.
>> 
>>   I ignore
>>   and 
>>   I grin.
>> 
>>   André Oorebeek
>> 
>> 
>>   On 10-nov-04, at 22:32, David Skolnik wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     Quentin -
>> 
>>     There is no one answer when you are talking
>> about theater, which, for these purposes, includes
>> concerts.  Even if you are dealing with a regular
>> account, it can take a long time and a lot of work,
>> to train the people around you, or the people who
>> create the schedule, before the requirements for
>> tuning become accepted and anticipated.  And then,
>> sometimes, sh_t happens.  A rehearsal goes late,
>> last minute stagecraft, etc.  The best approach, I
>> think, is to be  bit anal when making the original
>> arrangements.  Ask the scheduler if there is
>> anything, as in  ANYTHING, else going on during the
>> tuning time.  Sometimes the scheduler and
>> maintenance, or stage crew, don't communicate so
>> well.  It's worth double checking.  
>> 
>>     It is true how amazing it is that people
>> (especially musicians) don't make the connection
>> between tuning and the need for silence, which
>> includes shuffling papers, whispering, or sometimes,
>> breathing, but, on the other hand, why should they
>> know.  There are times when the only course is to
>> ask someone to desist,,,as politely as possible.  At
>> other times, again, preparing for performance, other
>> people may have jobs that have to get done.  Then it
>> becomes a matter of determining what level of noise
>> is essential for them to fulfill their
>> responsibilities, and what part of the usual noise
>> can, in this case be reasonably suppressed.
>> 
>>     Regarding the 2 or 3 people chatting vs. 15
>> making noise, sometimes the few can be more
>> annoying, to me.  A lot of the time it depends upon
>> the need.  The 15 may have no choice but to carry
>> on, to prepare for a show, while the 2 or 3 could
>> probably take the conversation somewhere else.  I
>> will not hesitate to enlighten someone for a few
>> offenses:
>> 
>>     Unnecessary conversation or laughter
>>     Singing- especially the note I'm tuning
>>     Whistling, ESPECIALLY THE NOTE I'M TUNING
>>     Jingling keys on a key ring
>> 
>>     No noise accepted for a recording session
>> tuning.
>> 
>>     Otherwise, it's Show Business.
>> 
>> 
>>     David Skolnik
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     At 05:44 PM 11/10/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>> 
>>     Hi Patrick,
>>      
>>     This afternoon, I had to tune for a concert in a
>> small hall.
>>     I tuned the piano this morning, and had to check
>> it another time when it was installed.
>>     People started installing the stage for the
>> choir (nearly 50 singers I think) just after I began
>> checking everything.
>>     Some notes were a little bit out of tune, I had
>> to tune them correctly.
>>     People were trailing the stage "blocks"
>> everywhere and shouting at each other because they
>> should have finished work sooner and people wanted
>> to go back home.
>>     I asked for silence, everything remained noisy
>> all around me.
>>     I decided to... go ;-)
>>      
>>     If they totally didn't care about my
>> concentration and about what I was doing, that's
>> because they 'd probably think the piano was good as
>> it was.
>>      
>> 
>>     and...
>> 
>> 
>>     But don't you think people should realize that
>> making a good tuning requires good conditions?
>>      
>>     There is a difference between 2 or 3 people
>> chatting and 15 persons screaming and moving chairs
>> and wood panels all around you while you're tuning !
>>      
>>     I think I would have preferred 2 or 3 people
>> discussing in a normal way instead of this
>> disturbing noises !
>>      
>>     Quentin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   friendly greetings
>>   from
>>   André Oorebeek
>> 
>>   "where Music is, no harm can be"
>> 
>> 


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