You don't really think those pianos were actually tuned do you... David I. ----- Original message ----------------------------------------> From: baoli liu <baoli_liu@yahoo.com> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?" >Years back,I had visited a few asian piano >factories,because of the mass production(more than a >hundred pianos every day),a goup of tuners have to >tune pianos side by side with loud nosiy >background.all of the tuners,including some young >tuners tune pianos this way every day. >It is always easy to tune pianos in a nice and quite >place.But being a technician,especially a concert >technician,I think it is a "must" skill/ability to >tune pianos with noisy background. >Baoli Liu >> You do the best you can in the situation. I'm in >> total agreement. Another reason why I love my ETD. >> I know, if I have to, I can tune every string to >> the ETD and the piano will sound pretty good. >> >> David I. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original message >> ----------------------------------------> >> From: antares <antares@euronet.nl> >> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> >> Received: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:18:19 +0100 >> Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?" >> >> >> On the other hand Dave Skolnik, >> >> Most of the time we have no choice but to grin and >> ignore. >> I used to get incredibly furious, swear at people, >> stamp my feet or even walk away from the scene in >> terrible anger. >> And you know what? >> The years went by, and I am still tuning in the >> same conditions. >> And you know what? >> I don't care anymore. >> >> I ignore >> and >> I grin. >> >> André Oorebeek >> >> >> On 10-nov-04, at 22:32, David Skolnik wrote: >> >> >> >> Quentin - >> >> There is no one answer when you are talking >> about theater, which, for these purposes, includes >> concerts. Even if you are dealing with a regular >> account, it can take a long time and a lot of work, >> to train the people around you, or the people who >> create the schedule, before the requirements for >> tuning become accepted and anticipated. And then, >> sometimes, sh_t happens. A rehearsal goes late, >> last minute stagecraft, etc. The best approach, I >> think, is to be bit anal when making the original >> arrangements. Ask the scheduler if there is >> anything, as in ANYTHING, else going on during the >> tuning time. Sometimes the scheduler and >> maintenance, or stage crew, don't communicate so >> well. It's worth double checking. >> >> It is true how amazing it is that people >> (especially musicians) don't make the connection >> between tuning and the need for silence, which >> includes shuffling papers, whispering, or sometimes, >> breathing, but, on the other hand, why should they >> know. There are times when the only course is to >> ask someone to desist,,,as politely as possible. At >> other times, again, preparing for performance, other >> people may have jobs that have to get done. Then it >> becomes a matter of determining what level of noise >> is essential for them to fulfill their >> responsibilities, and what part of the usual noise >> can, in this case be reasonably suppressed. >> >> Regarding the 2 or 3 people chatting vs. 15 >> making noise, sometimes the few can be more >> annoying, to me. A lot of the time it depends upon >> the need. The 15 may have no choice but to carry >> on, to prepare for a show, while the 2 or 3 could >> probably take the conversation somewhere else. I >> will not hesitate to enlighten someone for a few >> offenses: >> >> Unnecessary conversation or laughter >> Singing- especially the note I'm tuning >> Whistling, ESPECIALLY THE NOTE I'M TUNING >> Jingling keys on a key ring >> >> No noise accepted for a recording session >> tuning. >> >> Otherwise, it's Show Business. >> >> >> David Skolnik >> >> >> >> At 05:44 PM 11/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> This afternoon, I had to tune for a concert in a >> small hall. >> I tuned the piano this morning, and had to check >> it another time when it was installed. >> People started installing the stage for the >> choir (nearly 50 singers I think) just after I began >> checking everything. >> Some notes were a little bit out of tune, I had >> to tune them correctly. >> People were trailing the stage "blocks" >> everywhere and shouting at each other because they >> should have finished work sooner and people wanted >> to go back home. >> I asked for silence, everything remained noisy >> all around me. >> I decided to... go ;-) >> >> If they totally didn't care about my >> concentration and about what I was doing, that's >> because they 'd probably think the piano was good as >> it was. >> >> >> and... >> >> >> But don't you think people should realize that >> making a good tuning requires good conditions? >> >> There is a difference between 2 or 3 people >> chatting and 15 persons screaming and moving chairs >> and wood panels all around you while you're tuning ! >> >> I think I would have preferred 2 or 3 people >> discussing in a normal way instead of this >> disturbing noises ! >> >> Quentin >> >> >> >> friendly greetings >> from >> André Oorebeek >> >> "where Music is, no harm can be" >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? 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