Hi Baoli, I would never think that a factory tuned piano would be considered to be on the level of a piano tuned for home use. It is my understanding that it is not tuned to a degree where the piano sounds at a stretched A440, but sharp so that it will settle close to pitch when it arrives at the store for prep ( ha, well there are a few who do) and each section has a different over pull. Joe Goss RPT Mother Goose Tools imatunr@srvinet.com www.mothergoosetools.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "baoli liu" <baoli_liu@yahoo.com> To: <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>; "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?" > Usually,the factory tuning is not very accuate except > the last one or tow pass/tuning. > > --- David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > You don't really think those pianos were actually > > tuned do you... > > > > David I. > > > > > > > > ----- Original message > > ----------------------------------------> > > From: baoli liu <baoli_liu@yahoo.com> > > To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> > > Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) > > Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?" > > > > >Years back,I had visited a few asian piano > > >factories,because of the mass production(more than > > a > > >hundred pianos every day),a goup of tuners have to > > >tune pianos side by side with loud nosiy > > >background.all of the tuners,including some young > > >tuners tune pianos this way every day. > > > > >It is always easy to tune pianos in a nice and > > quite > > >place.But being a technician,especially a concert > > >technician,I think it is a "must" skill/ability to > > >tune pianos with noisy background. > > >Baoli Liu > > > > > > >> You do the best you can in the situation. I'm > > in > > >> total agreement. Another reason why I love my > > ETD. > > >> I know, if I have to, I can tune every string > > to > > >> the ETD and the piano will sound pretty good. > > >> > > >> David I. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original message > > >> ----------------------------------------> > > >> From: antares <antares@euronet.nl> > > >> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> > > >> Received: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:18:19 +0100 > > >> Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?" > > >> > > >> > > >> On the other hand Dave Skolnik, > > >> > > >> Most of the time we have no choice but to grin > > and > > >> ignore. > > >> I used to get incredibly furious, swear at > > people, > > >> stamp my feet or even walk away from the scene in > > >> terrible anger. > > >> And you know what? > > >> The years went by, and I am still tuning in the > > >> same conditions. > > >> And you know what? > > >> I don't care anymore. > > >> > > >> I ignore > > >> and > > >> I grin. > > >> > > >> André Oorebeek > > >> > > >> > > >> On 10-nov-04, at 22:32, David Skolnik wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quentin - > > >> > > >> There is no one answer when you are talking > > >> about theater, which, for these purposes, > > includes > > >> concerts. Even if you are dealing with a regular > > >> account, it can take a long time and a lot of > > work, > > >> to train the people around you, or the people who > > >> create the schedule, before the requirements for > > >> tuning become accepted and anticipated. And > > then, > > >> sometimes, sh_t happens. A rehearsal goes late, > > >> last minute stagecraft, etc. The best approach, > > I > > >> think, is to be bit anal when making the > > original > > >> arrangements. Ask the scheduler if there is > > >> anything, as in ANYTHING, else going on during > > the > > >> tuning time. Sometimes the scheduler and > > >> maintenance, or stage crew, don't communicate so > > >> well. It's worth double checking. > > >> > > >> It is true how amazing it is that people > > >> (especially musicians) don't make the connection > > >> between tuning and the need for silence, which > > >> includes shuffling papers, whispering, or > > sometimes, > > >> breathing, but, on the other hand, why should > > they > > >> know. There are times when the only course is to > > >> ask someone to desist,,,as politely as possible. > > At > > >> other times, again, preparing for performance, > > other > > >> people may have jobs that have to get done. Then > > it > > >> becomes a matter of determining what level of > > noise > > >> is essential for them to fulfill their > > >> responsibilities, and what part of the usual > > noise > > >> can, in this case be reasonably suppressed. > > >> > > >> Regarding the 2 or 3 people chatting vs. 15 > > >> making noise, sometimes the few can be more > > >> annoying, to me. A lot of the time it depends > > upon > > >> the need. The 15 may have no choice but to carry > > >> on, to prepare for a show, while the 2 or 3 could > > >> probably take the conversation somewhere else. I > > >> will not hesitate to enlighten someone for a few > > >> offenses: > > >> > > >> Unnecessary conversation or laughter > > >> Singing- especially the note I'm tuning > > >> Whistling, ESPECIALLY THE NOTE I'M TUNING > > >> Jingling keys on a key ring > > >> > > >> No noise accepted for a recording session > > >> tuning. > > >> > > >> Otherwise, it's Show Business. > > >> > > >> > > >> David Skolnik > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> At 05:44 PM 11/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Patrick, > > >> > > >> This afternoon, I had to tune for a concert > > in a > > >> small hall. > > >> I tuned the piano this morning, and had to > > check > > >> it another time when it was installed. > > >> People started installing the stage for the > > >> choir (nearly 50 singers I think) just after I > > began > > >> checking everything. > > >> Some notes were a little bit out of tune, I > > had > > >> to tune them correctly. > > >> People were trailing the stage "blocks" > > >> everywhere and shouting at each other because > > they > > >> should have finished work sooner and people > > wanted > > >> to go back home. > > >> I asked for silence, everything remained > > noisy > > >> all around me. > > >> I decided to... go ;-) > > >> > > >> If they totally didn't care about my > > >> concentration and about what I was doing, that's > > >> because they 'd probably think the piano was good > > as > > >> it was. > > >> > > >> > > >> and... > > >> > > >> > > >> But don't you think people should realize > > that > > >> making a good tuning requires good conditions? > > >> > > >> There is a difference between 2 or 3 people > > >> chatting and 15 persons screaming and moving > > chairs > > >> and wood panels all around you while you're > > tuning ! > > >> > > >> I think I would have preferred 2 or 3 people > > >> discussing in a normal way instead of this > > >> disturbing noises ! > > >> > > >> Quentin > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! 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