"should I stay or should I go?"

Joe And Penny Goss imatunr@srvinet.com
Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:14:56 -0700


Hi Baoli,
I would never think that a factory tuned piano would be considered to be on
the level of a piano tuned for home use.
It is my understanding that it is not tuned to a degree where the piano
sounds at a stretched A440, but sharp so that it will settle close to pitch
when it arrives at the store for prep ( ha, well there are a few who do) and
each section has a different over pull.
Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "baoli liu" <baoli_liu@yahoo.com>
To: <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>; "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"


> Usually,the factory tuning is not very accuate except
> the last one or tow pass/tuning.
>
> --- David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > You don't really think those pianos were actually
> > tuned do you...
> >
> > David I.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original message
> > ---------------------------------------->
> > From: baoli liu <baoli_liu@yahoo.com>
> > To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:12:15 -0800 (PST)
> > Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"
> >
> > >Years back,I had visited a few asian piano
> > >factories,because of the mass production(more than
> > a
> > >hundred pianos every day),a goup of tuners have to
> > >tune pianos side by side with loud nosiy
> > >background.all of the tuners,including some young
> > >tuners tune pianos this way every day.
> >
> > >It is always easy to tune pianos in a nice and
> > quite
> > >place.But being a technician,especially a concert
> > >technician,I think it is a "must" skill/ability to
> > >tune pianos with noisy background.
> > >Baoli Liu
> >
> >
> > >>   You do the best you can in the situation.   I'm
> > in
> > >> total agreement.   Another reason why I love my
> > ETD.
> > >>   I know, if I have to, I can tune every string
> > to
> > >> the ETD and the piano will sound pretty good.
> > >>
> > >>   David I.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   ----- Original message
> > >> ---------------------------------------->
> > >>   From: antares <antares@euronet.nl>
> > >>   To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > >>   Received: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:18:19 +0100
> > >>   Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   On the other hand Dave Skolnik,
> > >>
> > >>   Most of the time we have no choice but to grin
> > and
> > >> ignore.
> > >>   I used to get incredibly furious, swear at
> > people,
> > >> stamp my feet or even walk away from the scene in
> > >> terrible anger.
> > >>   And you know what?
> > >>   The years went by, and I am still tuning in the
> > >> same conditions.
> > >>   And you know what?
> > >>   I don't care anymore.
> > >>
> > >>   I ignore
> > >>   and
> > >>   I grin.
> > >>
> > >>   André Oorebeek
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   On 10-nov-04, at 22:32, David Skolnik wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     Quentin -
> > >>
> > >>     There is no one answer when you are talking
> > >> about theater, which, for these purposes,
> > includes
> > >> concerts.  Even if you are dealing with a regular
> > >> account, it can take a long time and a lot of
> > work,
> > >> to train the people around you, or the people who
> > >> create the schedule, before the requirements for
> > >> tuning become accepted and anticipated.  And
> > then,
> > >> sometimes, sh_t happens.  A rehearsal goes late,
> > >> last minute stagecraft, etc.  The best approach,
> > I
> > >> think, is to be  bit anal when making the
> > original
> > >> arrangements.  Ask the scheduler if there is
> > >> anything, as in  ANYTHING, else going on during
> > the
> > >> tuning time.  Sometimes the scheduler and
> > >> maintenance, or stage crew, don't communicate so
> > >> well.  It's worth double checking.
> > >>
> > >>     It is true how amazing it is that people
> > >> (especially musicians) don't make the connection
> > >> between tuning and the need for silence, which
> > >> includes shuffling papers, whispering, or
> > sometimes,
> > >> breathing, but, on the other hand, why should
> > they
> > >> know.  There are times when the only course is to
> > >> ask someone to desist,,,as politely as possible.
> > At
> > >> other times, again, preparing for performance,
> > other
> > >> people may have jobs that have to get done.  Then
> > it
> > >> becomes a matter of determining what level of
> > noise
> > >> is essential for them to fulfill their
> > >> responsibilities, and what part of the usual
> > noise
> > >> can, in this case be reasonably suppressed.
> > >>
> > >>     Regarding the 2 or 3 people chatting vs. 15
> > >> making noise, sometimes the few can be more
> > >> annoying, to me.  A lot of the time it depends
> > upon
> > >> the need.  The 15 may have no choice but to carry
> > >> on, to prepare for a show, while the 2 or 3 could
> > >> probably take the conversation somewhere else.  I
> > >> will not hesitate to enlighten someone for a few
> > >> offenses:
> > >>
> > >>     Unnecessary conversation or laughter
> > >>     Singing- especially the note I'm tuning
> > >>     Whistling, ESPECIALLY THE NOTE I'M TUNING
> > >>     Jingling keys on a key ring
> > >>
> > >>     No noise accepted for a recording session
> > >> tuning.
> > >>
> > >>     Otherwise, it's Show Business.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     David Skolnik
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     At 05:44 PM 11/10/2004 +0100, you wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     Hi Patrick,
> > >>
> > >>     This afternoon, I had to tune for a concert
> > in a
> > >> small hall.
> > >>     I tuned the piano this morning, and had to
> > check
> > >> it another time when it was installed.
> > >>     People started installing the stage for the
> > >> choir (nearly 50 singers I think) just after I
> > began
> > >> checking everything.
> > >>     Some notes were a little bit out of tune, I
> > had
> > >> to tune them correctly.
> > >>     People were trailing the stage "blocks"
> > >> everywhere and shouting at each other because
> > they
> > >> should have finished work sooner and people
> > wanted
> > >> to go back home.
> > >>     I asked for silence, everything remained
> > noisy
> > >> all around me.
> > >>     I decided to... go ;-)
> > >>
> > >>     If they totally didn't care about my
> > >> concentration and about what I was doing, that's
> > >> because they 'd probably think the piano was good
> > as
> > >> it was.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     and...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     But don't you think people should realize
> > that
> > >> making a good tuning requires good conditions?
> > >>
> > >>     There is a difference between 2 or 3 people
> > >> chatting and 15 persons screaming and moving
> > chairs
> > >> and wood panels all around you while you're
> > tuning !
> > >>
> > >>     I think I would have preferred 2 or 3 people
> > >> discussing in a normal way instead of this
> > >> disturbing noises !
> > >>
> > >>     Quentin
> >
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