How do we tell customers that the work done on their pianos stinks?

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:52:35 -0800


I think I might have said "A place like this deserves a new grand piano" or something like that.   

David I.



----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
From: gordon stelter <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:31:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How do we tell customers that the work done on their pianos stinks?

>The BEST part in a situation like this is telling the
>customer that the former "technician" did useless and
>crappy work. USUALLY the customer gets mad at YOU
>instead of them! ( And doesn't believe you, i.e. "That
>nice old man, xxxxx, worked on MY piano!"  ( Smiling,
>with beaming eyes. )
>     Does anyone here have suggestions on how to
>handle telling a customer that the work they just paid
>for is absolutely worthless garbage ?

>     Thump

>P.S. I played a small private reception for a
>celebrity  you'd all recognize last night, in a big
>mansion.......... on a Wurlitzer console. The owner
>came up to me, beaming, "How do you like it ?" I
>rejected the first 10 answers that came to mind, bit
>my lip and politely said "It's OK ". ( I'm not good at
>lying ) "When was it tuned ?" " Sometime in the last
>year!" he beamed again.
>     Sheesh!


>--- Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>> Of course! But it's ok because the originals are
>> those really nice ones with the knuckle integrated
>> into the shank!
>> 
>> I'm sure you all have seen this kind of crap
>> workmanship before, but last night I thought I would
>> turn my attention to the backchecks and putting a
>> radius on the hammer tails. The guy also put new
>> backchecks on. Every one at a unique height. Many
>> pushing up adjacent hammers upon key stroke. The
>> hammer tails hit the backcheck at about a 45 degree
>> angle (tails don't check, they clunk!). Then I try
>> to gang sand the tails for a radius. Tails are
>> angled every which way. In, out, rotated.
>> 
>> If you took all the loose parts, thew them in a box
>> and shook it up and then looked inside, you would
>> have something that looks pretty close to this
>> action. I am exaggerating only slightly.
>> 
>> Arrrrggggg! It would have been less work to try and
>> make the original parts function, rather than trying
>> to make this hodge-podge of parts function.    :-(
>> 
>> Ain't there a law?????
>> 
>> Terry Farrell
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Avery Todd 
>>   To: Pianotech 
>>   Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 5:47 PM
>>   Subject: Re: Front Rail Punching Interference
>> 
>> 
>>   Just wondering, but did "they" also install those
>> new hammers on old shanks/knuckles? :-) 
>> 
>>   Avery 
>> 
>>   At 03:56 PM 11/13/04, you wrote:
>> 
>>     I think I found part of the problem already. The
>> tooner before me "rebuilt the piano" - you know, the
>> full monty - new strings, hammers, damper felts (yes
>> indeed, hanging way out past the damper heads) and
>> keytops  - none of which were installed
>> straight/aligned, etc. I imagine this thing had
>> ivory keytops originally. The new keytops are thick
>> plastic (~2mm), and yup, you guessed it, he didn't
>> plane the keytops down to compensate for the thicker
>> keytops - so now I have keys that are one or two
>> millimeters thicker than original.....
>>      
>>     Oh well, back to the drawing board ........ er,
>> a, regulating table......
>>      
>>     Terry Farrell
>> 
>>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>> 
>>       From: antares 
>> 
>>       To: Pianotech 
>> 
>>       Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:04 PM
>> 
>>       Subject: Re: Front Rail Punching Interference
>> 
>> 
>>       Terry,
>> 
>> 
>>       First of all, you need to know the exact key
>> height of your key board.
>> 
>>       This is the key to your regulation.
>> 
>>       For instance.... the key height for Steinway
>> model S-B (measured from the key bed to the
>> underside of the key top covering) is 63 mm.
>> 
>>       For Yamaha's this 64 mm.
>> 
>>       It is the only way to get your basis straight.
>> 
>>       After that, we're talking.
>> 
>> 
>>       André Oorebeek
>> 
>> 
>>       On 13-nov-04, at 20:47, Farrell wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param
>> Arial><?smaller>Help!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I'm
>> trying to regulate a Baldwin "Monarch" microgrand
>> action. I haven't looked up the piano's age (can't
>> find my Pierce Atlas), but it is from the first half
>> of the 20th Century. I've run into this before. I
>> level keys (1/2" sharp height), regulate blow,
>> let-off, etc., and then go to set aftertouch. When I
>> have the proper aftertouch on the sharps, the
>> adjacent naturals hit the sharp front rail punching
>> before they hit their own front rail punching when
>> depressing the natural.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>That's
>> bad.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>What
>> gives? Have I done something stupid? Have I simply
>> overlooked something?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Another
>> thing - I have to reduce blow to 1-3/4 inches to
>> provide sufficient key travel (about 3/8 inches -
>> way less than spec) to allow let-off and a tad of
>> aftertouch. I replaced the back rail felt with
>> original thickness (which is the thinnest sold by
>> the supply houses), I am using the thinnest front
>> rail punchings available, and I even have key height
>> a little bit higher than they were (and above spec -
>> more than 2-1/2 inches - I'm quite sure I'm still OK
>> with the fallboard).<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Again,
>> what gives? Action clearly appears all
>> original.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This is
>> all a lot easier when you rebuild the action, go
>> through the Stanwood and geometry stuff, and have it
>> all correct from the get-go! Because, as in this
>> case, it can't be me, it's gotta be the action!
>> Right?   ;-)<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks
>> for anything anyone has to
>> offer.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>         <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Terry
>> Farrell<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
>> 
>> 
>>       friendly greetings
>> 
>>       from
>> 
>>       André Oorebeek
>> 
>> 
>>       "where Music is, no harm can be"
>> 



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