Was OnlyPure not P12ths Tunings

[Bernhard Stopper]

My apologies for you Ric,

i just read over your post too fast and misinterpreted it.

I know that the Msixth and MDoubleoctave+Mthird was a common control 
interval
of old tuners. Arnold Duin (a friend of Andre) toldme also about that a few 
years ago, when i did
a Mensurix seminar in Amsterdam.

best wishes,

Bernhard

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ric Brekne" <ricbrek@broadpark.no>
To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:50 PM
Subject: Was OnlyPure not P12ths Tunings


> Bernhard
>
> A few comments.  Number one.  I do not appreciate the insinuation about me 
> posting something after you have stated it. This is directly false. And 
> anyone who has been reading my P 12ths stuff these past years knows that. 
> Indeed... you popped up at least a year after I started writing about this 
> stuff making claims about who thought of this first. I dont care any more 
> about those claims now then I did then. I could give a flying tomatoe. You 
> also started making near slanderous comments about Jim Coleman 
> mis-appropriating his perfect 5ths tuning from some other european. You 
> seem to totally ignore the fact that people can have similiar ideas around 
> the globe without having the slightest knowledge of each other.  Accusing 
> someone as you seem to be doing is rather bad form IMHO.  Especially when 
> you have absolutely no way of showing any such accusations to be true.
>
> Number two. If you do bother to read through all P 12ths posts in the 
> past, you will find I have covered this ground well before your appearance 
> here on pianotech. <<We>> did not begin discussing the P-12 ths tuning a 
> year ago... YOU came in on a long standing discussion claiming this was 
> your idea... which I simply responded to by letting you have your way on 
> the matter... because it didnt matter... doesnt matter.  For crimminy 
> sakes.. you mention the major sixth and double octave 10th test.... Andre 
> and I were on about this 4 -5 years ago in this context... and the darned 
> test is as old as the hills to begin with.
>
> Number three... I will tune a piano any darned old way I want to to begin 
> with.  I will use Tune Lab any way I darn well want to. If you feel you 
> have some case against me... then by all means try and run it.
> Now I have tried to ignore all these comments about this being all your 
> idea these past year, because as I say... I couldnt care less to begin 
> with.  But if you are going to start accusing people of stealing others 
> ideas as you seem to be.. then I simply have no more time to spend 
> responding to your posts.
>
> My description of a P 12ths tuning has been public for a few years now... 
> and its free for anyone to use. End of discussion.
>
> Sincerely
> Richard Brekne.
>
> Ric,
>
> If you tune the fifths and the octaves one after the other, this is ok.
> If you tune the third note from any of the three note combinations 
> together with the other two, and measure explicitely for pureness, that 
> relates to one method of my patent filing for using in an ETD.
> If you have done so already before my patent filing and you have not 
> published before, thats your risk. It is still possible to get patented a 
> thing, someone other used before and did not talk about.
>
> But i have never read about anything from your post here, that you ever 
> used those 3 note combinations tuning/calcuating/measuring that way, that 
> when played together it should reach a pure state.
>
> Me seems that this is not the first time, you wrote that you do something 
> like i do after i posted it to this list.
>
> Please remember:
> When we began discussing P12 here last year, you talked about that you 
> tune a perfect twelfth with measuring the third partial of the lower note 
> of a perfect twelfth note with the ETD and tune it to the first partial of 
> the upper note of the pure twelfth. The you tune a smaller than pure 
> fifth, and do a "scott´s quadratic interpolation"
>
> After popping into this discussion, i  wrote how i tune the perfect 
> twelves aurally with the help of a major sixth and a double octave+Mthird.
>
> Some weeks later, you posted, "i usually tune the pure twelfth aurally 
> using a major sicth and a double octave+MSixth"
>
> be it like it be,
> if you think my approach is not new, feel free to raise objection at the 
> patent process.
>
> regards,
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>
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