Hi david I take your word for it . But then on the other hand we use our Wurzen hammer for a modern Boesendorfer and for an old one, we also use them for old Steinway's and newer one. Sometimes different shapes, different amount of stitches but still they are the same felt and we have great results and I don't think we are easy to please. Maybe it has something to do with the different taste in sound here in Europe and in the US. Greetings Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net> To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: RE: More CC vs RC questions was RE: Killer Octave & Pitch Raise >I agree, there are always a number of factors. But I can assure you > that a Boesendorfer hammer would not sound good on a 1920 original > SB, > NY Steinway, and vice versa. > > David Love > davidlovepianos@comcast.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of Arnold Duin > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:27 PM > To: Pianotech > Subject: Re: More CC vs RC questions was RE: Killer Octave & Pitch > Raise > > Hello David, > > I also agree that hammer matching is important but that is always > the > case. You can can get every hammer, when you work on it, to a certain > level to get the most out of a piano but sometimes you need another > hammer whith other characteristics to get an ever better result. An > Bosendorfer needs another approach then a Steinway. My point is you > have to something to work on and that is given by the soundboard etc. > You can get a better result by using the right hammer but I don't > think > they are the determinant factor. > > Arnold > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net> > To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:45 PM > Subject: RE: More CC vs RC questions was RE: Killer Octave & Pitch > Raise > > >> I'm totally convinced that hammer matching is important. You might >> consider that the types of pianos you are working on are similar in >> many >> respects, i.e., mostly CC boards. Since any medium hardness hammer >> can >> be manipulated up or down to a degree and therefore in most cases >> can >> be >> made to fit well within a certain narrow spectrum of SB designs it >> may >> seem that one good hammer is all you need. Further analysis of your >> end >> result, however, would probably show differences in hammer density >> achieved by the use of needles. In the case of RC&S boards or >> boards >> with higher spring rates than normal CC boards or other features the >> might effect transfer of energy, different hammers may be >> appropriate >> for different boards. Mass and density seem to both be important >> considerations. Not unlike the, until more recently, foreign >> concept >> of >> matching hammer weight to leverage analysis (as you are well aware), >> the >> time for a serious consideration of matching hammer mass and density >> to >> soundboard design seems in order. >> >> David Love >> davidlovepianos@comcast.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Richard Brekne >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:01 PM >> To: Newtonburg >> Subject: More CC vs RC questions was RE: Killer Octave & Pitch Raise >> >> I really think that this whole buisness of matching hammers to >> soundboards is rather overstated. We were here just a couple months >> back >> >> with old pianos with so called weak soundboards. Of course there >> are >> extremities... but there are certainly many quality hammers that in >> the >> hands of a compentent enough voicer can bring out the very best in >> an >> instrument... one way or another. I noticed that Abel Select >> hammers >> were cited as the hammer best for one of the instruments used along >> this >> >> track. Given the fact that it seemed evident that the assessed >> problem >> was that other hammers were too hard I found this very odd. Abel >> Select, >> >> at least what we get under that name, are anything but very soft >> hammers, and certainly harder then the Wurzen pressed by Renner, >> certainly harder then Ronsens I've had the opportunity to use, and >> way >> harder then the NY Steinway hammers I've run into. That said... not >> a >> single one of the hammers mentioned are not more then workable for >> any >> decent piano IMHO. Let me put it this way..... you put any good >> piano, >> and any of the mentioned set of hammers, and Andre (or any voicer of >> his >> >> calibre) in the same room for a couple days..... I dont think I need >> say >> >> any more. >> >> No doubt some systems require more or less from the hammer side of >> the >> whole equation. That goes without saying. >> >> Cheers >> RicB >> >> >> Well I meant that more as a question than a statement. One thing >> that >> does interest me is how CC vs RC&S methods influence, either in >> design >> or execution, the relationship between mass and spring rate and how >> that >> might relate to proper hammer matching. Which system, for example, >> tends to have a thicker panel? It seems that the CC panel is >> generally >> thicker in the center and tapered toward the rim whereas the RC&S >> panel >> is slightly thinner and more uniform in thickness (except maybe >> around >> the bass perimeter). Is that correct? Might not the difference in >> mass >> distribution of the CC panel explain differences in hammer matching >> and >> potentially some tonal differences? It seems that the CC panel >> requires >> a much denser and possibly less flexible hammer than the RC&S board >> (at >> least in my experience). Whether the tone production potential >> between >> the two with appropriate hammers is net/net, is something I can't >> really >> answer but do wonder about. The subject might point to some >> differences. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > >
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