> I also use small vise grips ... After someone showed me, Friday, how easy > and consistent it is to do it this way. And I’M the one who posted the > original query about round-nose sources. All you need is 5" grips--I think > their number is 5WR. With the Vise-Grip, the knot can be formed so tight there's very little slack to pull up to tighten it - even in the heaviest wire. At best, with the round nose pliers, there till be a lot of slack in the formed knot. With heavy wire, if you can bend the stuff at all with the little round nose, you'll be taking up about a yard of loose wire on the tuning pin to tighten the knot. Ron N
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