Pitch Raise

Michael Gamble michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk
Thu, 12 May 2005 16:06:41 +0100


Thanks, Doug, for your clarification. Do try it and let me know how you get 
on!
Regards from an even windier yet still sunny Sussex Village
Michael G.(UK)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dknabe@airmail.net>
To: "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pitch Raise


> Michael,
>
> I think we're both saying the same thing, but maybe I said it wrong.
>
> It appeared, from and earlier post that someone was taking your
> istructions literally i.e. Tune the fundamental of A0 to 445 Hz. If that
> was a joke, then  I apologize for trying to correct a joke. I brought
> partials into the discussion to clarify.
>
> The bit I added was to take your 445,444,443,442 - A4 and translate that
> into cents sharp for each quadrant. If I stated it incorrectly, then I
> stand corrected.
>
> I like your quadrant concept and will try it on the next major pitch raise
> I need to do.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
>> Please Doug, don't muddy the issue! I'm not talking about "partials" per
>> se, but about notes on the piano. In tuning at a given pitch, every note
>> you tune is relative to that pitch. So when I say tune "A" to 445 I mean
>> the "A" you would expect to BE 440 but have gone past that to 445. Once
>> you have established that then you're home and dry, Doug. .... aren't 
>> you?
>> Regards
>> Michael G.(UK)
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: DKnabe
>>   To: Pianotech
>>   Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:31 PM
>>   Subject: Re: Pitch Raise
>>
>>
>>   John and List,
>>
>>   Surely Michael means:
>>        Tune the 16th partial of A0 to A-445;
>>        Tune the 8th partial of A1 to A-445; etc
>>        Tune the 4th partial of C#5 to the 5th partial of A-445
>>        etc, then
>>        Tune the 8th partial of G4 to the 7th partial of A-444
>>       etc.
>>
>>   In other words, keep each string at approximately the correct pitch,
>> but, for 1st pass,
>>       overpull by 20 cents those notes tuned to A-445;  i.e. all A's,
>> C#'s, and F's
>>       overpull by 16 cents those notes tuned to A-444; i.e.  all G's, 
>> D#'s
>> and B's
>>       overpull by 12 cents those notes tune to A-443;  i.e.   all G#'s,
>> C's and E's
>>       overpull by  8 cents those notes tuned to A-442; i.e.   all F#'s,
>> A#'s and D's.
>>
>>   When you finish the first pass, those notes tuned 20 cents sharp will
>> have fallen to being on-pitch. Since all the notes are now about right,
>> fine tune it normally on the second pass.
>>
>>   Regards,
>>   Doug Knabe
>>   Dallas
>>   Michael Gamble wrote:
>>     Hello John and List
>>     You asked:
>>      Do you have any idea how much tension would be on A-0 when tuned to
>> A-445??? J
>>     Non! But it can't be much above design tension can it!
>>     Go for it - it works every time. The real "secret" is keeping the
>> tension equal right across the frame.
>>     Talking about equal - anyone read "An Unequal Music" by Vikram Seth?
>>     Regards
>>     Michael G.(UK)
>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>       From: John Fortiner
>>       To: 'Michael Gamble' ; 'tom driscoll' ; pianotech@ptg.org
>>       Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:05 AM
>>       Subject: RE: Pitch Raise
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>       From: Michael Gamble [mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk]
>>       Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:08 PM
>>       To: tom driscoll; pianotech@ptg.org
>>       Subject: Re: Pitch Raise
>>
>>
>>
>>       Hello Tom and List
>>
>>       I suppose it's not at all helpful to state the obvious - "it's in
>> Archives"! No? Well then this is the way to do it:
>>
>>       Have a cheapo ETD - you know the things - get it from a guitar 
>> shop.
>> They usually have A=439 to A=445 or so. With that tune all the A's
>> to the A=445 - all 8 of them. Do you have any idea how much tension
>> would be on A-0 when tuned to A-445??? J  Next tune the intermediate
>> M3's i.e. all the C# and the F's. Now quarter of the piano is done.
>>
>>       Next recalibrate the ETD to A=444. Now tune all the G's to 444 
>> pitch
>> and follow that with their intermediate M3's - i.e. all the D#'s and
>> all the B's. Now you're half-way!
>>
>>       Next recalibrate the ETD to A=443. Tune all the G#'s and then the
>> intermediate M3's. (three-quarters of the way!)
>>
>>       Last recalibrate the ETD to A=442. Tune all the F#'s and then the
>> intermediate M3's
>>
>>       And you're done! Sounds like a neat system that I'm going to have 
>> to
>> try.
>>
>>       Now fine tune.
>>
>>       Note this... I ALWAYS DETUNE EACH STRING SLIGHTLY BEFORE PUTTING UP
>> THE TENSION. This breaks the bonding at the pressure bar or capo.
>> Even use a touch of de-oxidising fluid at those points before you
>> start.
>>
>>       Regards from a dark Sussex Village
>>
>>       Michael G.(UK)
>>
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>         From: tom driscoll
>>
>>         To: Pianotech
>>
>>         Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:34 PM
>>
>>         Subject: Re: Pitch Raise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>           ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>           From: Michael Gamble
>>
>>           To: pianotech@ptg.org
>>
>>           Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:54 AM
>>
>>           Subject: Pitch Raise
>>
>>
>>
>>           Hello List
>>
>>           . <SNIP>So I used my "Quadrant System" to bring it up to A=440
>> and fine tune it in two hours. <SNIP>
>>
>>               Michael G.(UK)
>>
>>
>>
>>               Michael,
>>
>>               Could you elaborate on the Quadrant system ?
>>
>>               Thanks,
>>
>>               Tom Driscoll RPTired today.
>>
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