---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment =20 David Very Very well said. It's a keeper Thank you Dale Erwin =20 It seems to me that one problem here is that it is difficult to define what= =20 a genuine Steinway actually is. Aside from the inherent lack of uniformity= =20 that exists from piano to piano, is it a piano from 1920 that happened to c= ome=20 out with a fairly decently matched soundboard to scale and an extremely=20 light and soft hammer to match it, or is it a 1990 piano that was horribly=20 matched and had hammers so full of lacquer that the hammer was more plastic= than=20 felt, or was it the 1980 piano that happened to be using Renner parts out o= f=20 the factory? And this is before we=E2=80=99re even talking about the areas= of the =20 piano that we all know commonly fail: fifth octaves that sound more like cla= ck =20 than bing, basses that sound like thud, duplex scales that zing and sizzle,=20= =20 transitions between tenor and bass that just seem like they just can=E2=80= =99t be =20 coming from the same piano, actions that weigh off at 65 =E2=80=93 70 grams= . The phrase =E2=80=9C killer octave=E2=80=9D didn=E2=80=99t come from our perception of a Story a= nd Clark. =20 What I see from the rebuilders who are making modifications is that they ar= e=20 not departing from the low tension scale characteristics that are typical o= f=20 these instruments, though they are making small modifications to tweak and=20 improve the transitions and sometimes they are adding third bridges (as man= y=20 Steinways had in the past) to better maintain log progressions through the=20 sections. They are not altering the hard bent rim which helps to accommoda= te a=20 fairly thin panel typical of these instruments, though they are adding some= =20 bracing to beef up where the frame is somewhat weak. They are designing =20 soundboard assemblies to better match the low tension scales so that opposin= g =20 springs are more compatible as they were probably intended to be. They are= =20 designing assemblies with new rib scales and shaping elements in order to p= roduce=20 more predictable and dependable results and correct weaknesses in various=20 areas in both the treble and bass (please don=E2=80=99t tell me that an O ha= s a lovely=20 bass until you=E2=80=99ve heard one with a modified bass bridge and float).= They=20 are putting softer hammers on these (which produce plenty of volume) to mat= ch=20 the scale and panel/rib assembly and are much more characteristic of the=20 Steinway hammers from the 1920s, not hard and heavy Renner or Abel hammers=20= as we=20 are so often seeing, or the relatively unpredictable and lacquer driven=20 hammers of recent times. They are producing pianos with a warm tone that h= ave a=20 natural pianissimo as well as a forte and might very well be more aligned w= ith=20 the overall tonal characteristics of the early Steinways (before the boards= =20 failed) than a lot of what I see and hear now out of the factory or the sho= ps=20 of some rebuilders. =20 All in all, who is to say that these modifications don=E2=80=99t, in fact,=20= help to=20 capture more predictably the sound (without the bugs) that made Steinway wh= at=20 it was originally intended to be and that we have all but forgotten about=20 through there darker periods or through the more recent attempt to become t= he=20 Yamaha=E2=80=94bigger, brighter and louder=E2=80=94of the west. When aski= ng what a genuine =20 Steinway is, I think one first has to look at the fundamental aspects of rim= =20 and scale and go from there. It might just be that those two things, when=20 all things are taken into consideration, narrow your reasonable choices =20 considerably. The characteristic of the genuine Steinway sound is hard if= not=20 impossible to identify because among Steinways, the sound varies considerab= ly=20 with many failures in all parts of the scale not to mention the hammers (pa= y a=20 visit your local dealer and try a dozen or so and compare). As someone who= =20 embraces these modifications, I am not looking for a non-Steinway sound per= se.=20 I am looking for the best aspects of the sound produced by that type of=20 scale in that type of structure and I want the best possible sound and bala= nce=20 in all areas of the scale. If it takes these modifications to achieve that= =20 predictably and consistently, then I=E2=80=99m all for it. To me, it=E2= =80=99s the person who=20 wants the big, bright, ear popping percussive sound that they identify as=20 Steinway who is not looking for a =E2=80=9Cgenuine Steinway=E2=80=9D. They= should be shopping=20 for a Yamaha (and I mean that with all due respect to Yamaha=E2=80=94it=E2= =80=99s just=20 another choice).=20 =20 David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net =20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/d2/88/87/89/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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